Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - May 2000Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer. The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:13:31 -0400 From: Roy Shrive <beerroybeer _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Alden, Where do you get the teflon filled delrin?[same place you get the delrin?] Does it have a speical name? I have been using a teflon linier bearing which is quite expensive [About $12] Roy ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:00:24 -0400 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Bearing materials Roy said: >Where do you get the teflon filled delrin?[same place you get the delrin?] >Does it have a speical name? I have been using a teflon linier bearing which >is quite expensive [About $12] We get it at MSC Industrial Supply, where we can buy it in 1-foot, 2-foot, or 4-foot pieces. It's still pretty expensive (maybe 50 cents or a dollar an inch depending on the diameter), but I like the workability and wear better than delrin, so it's worth it. We also get delrin there, or at Laird Plastics in Seattle. I've tried 100% teflon, and I think it's a lot of trouble to turn on the lathe, more than it's worth. Alden Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 04:26:02 -0400 From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Subject: HG: Contact Hi Folks I'm trying to contact Valentin Clastrier to see if he would be willing to do a master-class. Does anyone know how I can get in touch with him? Frank Frank Vickers Norwich, UK tel +44 (0)1603 505910/441050 fax +44 (0)870 052 3751 http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/xim1.htm Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 04:42:49 -0400 From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr> Subject: HG: Brayauds site? Bonsoir, Someone published here the URL for a site by (or about) Les Brayauds I did'nt keep. I'd like to add it to my page about Centre France Music : http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html Would anyone know it? Thanks in advance Dominique Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:12:11 -0400 From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_ btinternet.com> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Brayauds site? At 04:42 07/05/00 -0400, you wrote: >Bonsoir, > >Someone published here the URL for a site by (or about) Les Brayauds I >did'nt keep. I'd like to add it to my page about Centre France Music : > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html > >Would anyone know it? > >Thanks in advance > >Dominique > > Dominique The web address for Les Brayauds is: http://www.multimania.com/brayauds David Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 04:59:05 -0400 From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Greetings from a newcomer Hello, all members of the Hurdy-gurdy mailing list! I have just joined the Hurdy-gurdy mailing list. This is my first mail to the ML. At first I ask you all to have enough tolerance to read my terrible English, because English is not my mother tongue. I hope also you have a good imagination to decode what I write. Now, let me introduce myself. My name is OTAKE Keiji, a japanese hurdy-gurdy(HG) player residing in Thailand. Call me Kei. Don't misunderstand that it exist a kind of HG among the japanese traditional instruments. There is nothing resembling the HG with japanese and thai instruments. I play on french HG. I am not a professional musician, but a Japanese language teacher. I play the HG just for my pleasure. I play principally french traditional tunes, bourree, waltz, polka etc. My play is influenced by Bourbonnais style of France, although I play in C. My favorit HG player is Bernard Blanc. I have a website regarding HG. Sorry to say, almost of contents is written in Japanese. If you do not mind processions of unreadable simbols, you can visit URL below. "Vielleux in Thailand" http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/8316/index_e.html Regards to all ML members ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:14:37 -0400 From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at> Subject: HG: Bernard Kerboeuf Hi all! Could anyone help me with the URL to the homepage of the famous HG-maker Bernard Kerboeuf? The URL i used untill now and that is also located on Les Brayauds-homepage and St.Chartier-homepage ( http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/kerbfr.htm ) unfortunately doesn't work. Thank You! Ernst Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:49:27 -0400 From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Bernard Kerboeuf Bonsoir, Ernst Kainzmeier a *crit : > Could anyone help me with the URL to the >homepage of the famous HG-maker Bernard Kerboeuf? The URL i used untill >now and that is also located on Les Brayauds-homepage and >St.Chartier-homepage ( >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/kerbfr.htm ) >unfortunately doesn't work. Try this link : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/kerbfr.htm#top Some new stuff on my page by the way, like MIDI tunes from Coup de 4, JC Laporte (Last pupil of Gaston Guillemain) group. http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html Cheers Dominique Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:13:36 -0400 From: "APeekstok _at_ aol.com" <APeekstok _at_ aol.com> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Greetings from a newcomer Welcome, Kei. Your English is perfectly clear, and your web site is very nice, especially the page describing how the vielle works, complete with diagrams and sound samples. I'm adding a link to it from the Over the Water Hurdy-Gurdy Festival site (http://members.aol.com/vielle/). If anyone is wondering who the heck *I* am, I've been playing the HG since 1985, mostly with my husband in a Seattle band called Telynor (http://members.aol.com/telynor/). I've been lurking since this list was formed, not out of snootiness--just hadn't gotten around to introducing myself! Anna Peekstok Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:25:30 -0400 From: Roy Shrive <beerroybeer _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Kei's web sight Hi everybody, Wonder if someone could post Kei's websight again. I accidentally deleted it ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:57:40 -0400 From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Kei's web sight Roy Shreve said: > Wonder if someone could post Kei's websight again. Here it is: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/8316/index_e.html As Anna mentioned, this is a great website, even if you don't read Japanese - the diagrams of the coup strokes are worth a visit. Welcome to the list, Kei! Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html "Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae." Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:14:42 -0400 From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Greetings from a newcomer Hi Kei welcome here! I love your page (even the Japanese parts :o) and I'm going to put a link in my page (in Italian of course...with some english translations). ciao (that's see you :o) Marcello Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:56:49 -0400 From: "JPeekstok _at_ aol.com" <JPeekstok _at_ aol.com> Subject: HG: Announce: Hurdy-Gurdy Festival One and all are invited to the fifth annual OVER THE WATER HURDY-GURDY FESTIVAL AND FRENCH DANCE WEEKEND September 19-24 at Fort Flagler State Park on Marrowstone Island in the Puget Sound near Seattle, WA, USA. This unique festival brings hurdy-gurdy players, dancers, and world-class instructors together for intensive instruction, great food, and natural beauty. Ongoing classes and self-contained workshops for players will cover melodic techniques such as fingering and tone production, rhythm (trompette) playing, repertoire, and instrument setup and maintenance. An ongoing Basic Skills class will be offered daily for beginners. Dance instruction (Saturday and sunday only) will focus on regional French repertoires, and the Saturday evening "Bal Folk" will feature live music by the largest hurdy-gurdy band this side of the Atlantic. Other evening activities include instructor concerts, an open mike, an electric jam, and general merriment and music-making. Instructors this year are: Cliff Stapleton -- Advanced Hurdy-Gurdy Techniques Marilyn Smith -- Classes on specific regional French Dances Pierre Imbert -- Modern Alternatives for the Hurdy-Gurdy, Ryhthm Marcello Bono -- Baroque Hurdy-Gurdy Joanne Andrus -- Medieval and Rennaisance Music for the Hurdy-Gurdy Anna Peekstok -- Basic Skills, Singing with the Hurdy-Gurdy, Arranging RT Taylor -- French Dance Repertoire Luther Black -- Mazurka and Waltz Variations, Scottishes Marjorie Fiddler -- Basic Skills Alden Hackmann - Make a Dog John Peekstok -- Accompanying the Hurdy Gurdy, Arranging Chris Wright -- Slow Jam Price options range from $90 for the "short weekend" to $425 for the full 5 1/2 day camp. More details are at the website at: http://members.aol.com/vielle/ or contact the registrar: Joanne Andrus jjandr _at_ netzero.net 1511 SW 320 Ct. Federal Way, WA 98023 The festival is produced by the Over the Water Hurdy-Gurdy Association, a nonprofit corporation (tax deductible donations gratefully accepted). Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:33:42 -0400 From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org> Subject: HG: Hungarian HG for sale Hello everyone: I got the following post from a list serve I subscribe to and thought it might be of some interest to HG list members. I have visited the site and there are some nice pictures of Hungarian HGs although the information on the instrument for sale is only available on the Hungarian version of the page (at the very bottom). I have made inquiries about price and shipping possibilities but have not heard back yet. It is unlikely that I will actually purchase the instrument (I am a poor student), but I thought it would be nice information to someone on the HG list: Dear Folks ! I got a hurdy-gurdy, made by Barsony in 1970, to repair, and now it is for sale. I made a whole renovation on it, so it became a well-usable instrument. It has a new wheel and ball bearing, and with the new strings it has a really nice sound. Its outside is nicer, than the later Barsony-hurdy-gurdies, as it is from the maker's earlier period. I can offer it for musicians, and collectors, as well, as I think, it is a really valuable instrument in every respect. You could see the picture of the instrument on my web-site. http://w3.datanet.hu/~taltos/balazshu.htm Best regards NAGY Balazs - hurdy-gurdy maker *************** The Hungarian text at the bottom of the page concerning the instrument says essentially what Balazs' e-mail says. (By the way, Balazs is his given name and Nagy is the family name--Hungarian names are given in reverse order from what other Europeans are used to.) I don't have any idea what the instrument would cost, but given the weakness of the Hungarian forint against the dollar, I suspect that the price would be very reasonable for a U.S. buyer. -Arle Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:43:58 -0400 From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org> Subject: HG: Cottoning Hello everyone: one other post from me. This one is a request for some help. I play a 1999 János Vrabel Hungarian HG with one chanter string, one bass drone and one tenor drone. When I first got the instrument I was able to recotton it quite successfully but since then I have had no luck in cottoning it properly. I suspect that I need to use a different material or that my technique is wrong (and that my first cottoning was a lucky attempt). At present the chanter string works OK (it still has my original cottoning job), the tenor drone works moderately well and the bass drone doesn't work at all (it is a heavy gut string). I had to give a brief demonstration on the instrument a few weeks ago and had to play with the bass drone uncottoned. It worked well but I could see the wear on the string from just about thirty minutes of playing. I do not want to buy one of the books on French HGs because much of what they would have to say is particular to French instruments, so does anyone have any "quick and dirty" suggestions on how to cotton my instrument? -Arle Lommel Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:33:31 -0400 From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at> Subject: HG: Re: Cottoning Hello Arle! Don't worry about Your cottoning... for me too it's always a pieve of luck if You will get a horrible or fine cottoning on Your strings. But I want say that for my opinion there is no difference in cottoning between french or hungarian style HG. I don't know what kind of cotton wool You use but I use silk wool for about one year and mostly I got good results in cottoning. Silk wool have long and soft fibres. I get the silk in shops for hunting equipment!! Hunters use silk wool to clean their gun-barrels inside from oil or dust. One thing I do is to glue the silk onto the string... for that I use liquid rosin (rosin-dust in methylic alkohol) or I rub with the rosin-stone over the part of the string where I want to cottoning. Don't forget to protect the wheel against rosin drops with a piece of paper. Then take a little part of the silk (like a little cushion where You can look through), put it under the string and hold it on both ends. Then put the string on the wheel and turn the wheel slowly and carefully. You then will imagine that the silk will wrap around the string. Continuing turning the wheel try to stuff the silk between wheel and string using Your thumb... be carefully and don't touch the wheel surface! When it's done recover redundant parts of the silk and turn the wheel faster. After a short time for drying the liquid rosin the job should be done. Now You're able to turn the wheel forward and backward to make some nice ornamentations. Well, I hope You can use some of my hints... it's a little difficult for me to explain such technique things in english so please pardon me for typing errors or wrong grammar. Good Luck! Ernst Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:20:43 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Cotton, Hi Arle , it is not easy to describe the cottononig operation , but lets try . Generally the first advice is take a LITTLE bit of cotton , very little , the strict minimun, now split that in half <g>. The other problem could be to much rosin on the wheel , wich give a very coarse sound. To little rosin gives a thin sound . Henry Boucher Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:37:00 -0400 From: Katie Roe <taddea _at_ wizards.com> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Cotton, > Hi Arle , I agree that it is not easy to describe, but I'll give it a try. I use alot more cotton on my bass string than the others, but I use the same technique for all the strings. Most players change their cotton often. I even changed mine (all three) minutes before a gig last week. This was the very first thing I learned to do. I had a friend who shoved her HG at me and said, "Your first lesson is changing cotton." I was SO scared I nearly dropped her instrument. 1. Remove the cotton from the string by putting the string on the lift to keep it off the wheel and then pick off the cotton gently. Be careful not to touch your wheel. 2. Take your rosin and rub it on the string over where you are going to place the cotton. This works only for solid, not powdered rosin. Doing this makes the string slightly sticky and helps the cotton to adhere to the string. I don't know how to do the powdered rosin, sorry. 3. Take a small wad of cotton or silk. Use only a wisp of cotton. You don't want too much. I find the amount is slightly larger for the heavier strings. Learning the amount will require some practice and patience. Each instrument has it's limits and you will need to learn your's. Pull the cotton fibers so that they are going in the same direction, culling any impurities or lumps out as you go. 4. Once the cotton is prepared hold it with your first finger and thumb of your left hand, the cotton hanging down. Bring it to the string and form a loop with the cotton with the string inside the loop just to the left of the wheel. Hold the top of the loop with your left hand and run it down the string until it is above the wheel. 5. With your right hand lower the string until it is touching the wheel, the cotton between the wheel and the string. 6. This is the tricky part. Very gently and slowly turn the wheel and let go of the looped cotton. You want to let go just a split second after you start turning. With your thumb just in front of the string (not touching the wheel), guide the cotton as it starts to wrap itself on the string. 7. You may need to add rosin once you have changed your cotton. I put my rosin on between my chanter and bass strings so that the less sensitive base string gets the bulk of it, since the other strings need so much less. I hope this helps, Katie Roe Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:19:16 -0400 From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Thanks for link / cotton Hi everybody. This is Kei from Thailand. I thank you that many of you have visited my website. I am very glad to hear you found it not so bad and put a link to it. I will also add links to your sites that I've got the URLs. (About 'GHIRONDA', I've already put a link to it last year. Sorry for late notice, Marcello) Question of cotton, I agree with Katie. I am lazy but I force myself to change cotton. In my case, when the HG does not sound well, changing cotton often helps to get it better. Kei Otake ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:01:42 -0400 From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr> Subject: HG: New URLs Hi, Please note the new addresses for Bernard Kerboeuf and JS Maître (cornemuse) : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/kerbfr.htm#top http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/tarifjsm.htm#top Cheers Dominique Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:44:33 -0400 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: HG: Fw: new member ----- Original Message ----- From: rose daly To: hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:53 PM Subject: Fw: new member Hope this gets through this time! - i'm a new UK member and fairly new to the hurdygurdy although I have been listening to Cliff Stapleton's and Nigel Eaton's recordings with with Blowzabella for years. I have a lute bodied hg in C and G made by Mike Gilpin whiiich I am learning to play.. I like folk music (French, English, Irish) and early music. I've been playing for about a year now and planning to go to St Chartier this year for the first time. There must be some other female players out there??!! Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:13:09 -0400 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: More cotton Katie's description of changing the cotton is great. Thank you Katie! I have just a few things to add to what she said. > >2. Take your rosin and rub it on the string over where you are going to >place the cotton. This works only for solid, not powdered rosin. Doing >this makes the string slightly sticky and helps the cotton to adhere to >the string. I don't know how to do the powdered rosin, sorry. I like to twist the string around between my fingers when I do this, so that the rosin ends up on all sides of the string. >3. Take a small wad of cotton or silk. Use only a wisp of cotton. I'll echo this: less is more. We've been using fox fiber cotton, which is a naturally short-fiber cotton. I find it's easier to work with than the longer-fiber cotton some people like. For one thing, it is easier to get the amount you want, and it's easier to handle. With a really long-fiber cotton, you need fewer fibers, and it's harder to estimate and harder to wind. The stuff we get seems to have fewer little pieces of junk and tangles too, which I like. It comes in various colors, from very light tan to a medium brown. "Breeder's Brown" is my favorite, but the color doesn't matter at all. I've used silk, and I don't really like it. The fibers are really long, and once it's wound on it really wants to stay there! Some people have reported having better results with it than with cotton in really dusty situations, and one person says that one instrument really prefers silk and the other really prefers cotton. Go figure. A fiber I've liked better than 100% silk is a silk-cotton blend, 25/75. The silk fibers are cut shorter, so it goes on easier, and I still get some of the endurance of silk without the other hassles. Alden Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:16:27 -0400 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Welcome Rose Rose said: >Hope this gets through this time! > - i'm a new UK member and fairly new to the hurdygurdy although I have been listening to Cliff Stapleton's and Nigel Eaton's recordings with with Blowzabella for years. I have a lute bodied hg in C and G made by Mike Gilpin whiiich I am learning to play.. I like folk music (French, English, Irish) and early music. I've been playing for about a year now and planning to go to St Chartier this year for the first time. There must be some other female players out there??!! Welcome, Rose! (Finally!) You'll have a lot of fun at St. Chartier. I think the mixture of players is about 50/50, so you should get a lot of women responding to your post. Alden Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:01:23 -0400 From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk> Subject: HG: This message was rejected a few days back, so excuse the lack of continuity! Hi Alden Yes, a Jubilee clip is a hose clamp. Why a Jubilee clip? Dunno! Nick Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:39:37 -0400 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: HG: Finally .... managed to post to the list!! Thanks Alden and Cali and to everyone for their very useful advice about cottonwool and thanks for your message Judith. Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:15:14 -0400 From: Hiroshi Hasebe <hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp> Subject: HG: Hello, folks, I'e just received my HG, made byAlden and Cali, and spent a whole sunday to play with it. It is, like I thought, my dream instrument and surely my member will love this precious sound!! Thank you, Alden, Cali!! Forgot to introduce myself, but I am a japanese, and organizing a circus band, with banjo, fiddle, and accordion. Looking for a bass player (upright!), so if you are interested in, please let me know!! Again, thank you for the instrument! Ha! Hiroshi Hasebe, Tokyo HASEBE, Hiroshi Center for Asian and Pacific Studies Office of International Exchange and Research SEIKEI University ---------------------------------------- 3-3-1, Kichijoji-Kitamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo 180-8633, JAPAN Tel: 0422-37-3549 Fax: 0422-37-3866 http://www.seikei.ac.jp/university/caps/index.html Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:36:39 -0400 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Re: HG: Hiroshi said: >I'e just received my HG, made byAlden and Cali, and spent a whole sunday to >play with >it. It is, like I thought, my dream instrument and surely my member will >love this precious >sound!! Thank you, Alden, Cali!! You are most welcome! We put a lot of love and care into the instruments we build, and we are always proud to see them go off into the world to new homes, whether right next door or across the sea. It's a little like what I imagine a parent feels like when their child grows up and goes off to a new life. We always hope that they behave well and give great pleasure. >Forgot to introduce myself, but I am a japanese, and organizing a circus >band, with >banjo, fiddle, and accordion. Looking for a bass player (upright!), so if >you are interested >in, please let me know!! I hope to hear recordings and see video of this band. Please keep us posted as to your projects. Alden Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:15:01 -0400 From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: HG: Re: Glad to be a source of useless information. Jubilee is just a brand. Most of mine have "Jubilee" engraved on the nut but the idea is too good for there to be only one maker of them. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:02:27 -0700 From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com> Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member Dear Rose, There certainly are some female hurdy gurdy players out here! I, too, will be at St. Chartier this summer. Maybe we should make a plan to meet each other? Chris Wright in Seattle, WA, USA _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> To: darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu, etc Subject: HG list is down Dear HG list member, I regret that the HG list is down temporarily. I don't have a clear idea how long it will be before it comes back - it depends on our service provider and the programmers who wrote the mailing list software. Please accept my apologies for this inconvenience. I'll send mail to the reconstituted list when it is back in service. Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html "Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae." Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:48:52 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG:Now that the list is back... We can start talking about hurdy-gurdies again. Any good concerts coming up? Good CD's you've heard? Discovered some wonderful fix for that wierd sound it was making? Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:53:54 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG:Favorite comments from strangers We've all heard the classic question - "What is that thing?" I get surprised when people DON'T ask. Sometimes they guess: "Is that a harpsichord?" or "a dulcimer"? Occasionally someone will surprise me with a really off-the-wall guess about what it is. Last year a guy saw me carrying my vielle in its blue Cordura case. He asked me, "So what you got in there, a chainsaw?" Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:43:56 EDT From: JPeekstok _at_ aol.com Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers In a message dated 5/20/00 10:52:36 PM, hurdy _at_ silverlink.net writes: >We've all heard the classic question - "What is that thing?" Here's one we've gotten a couple of times: "How many tunes does that thing have in it, anyway?" John Peekstok _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:34:09 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: What is it? Hi everybody, My favorite observation ( to bad I can not tell it happened to me personnally , in fact it happened to a German musician ) was the gentlemen who knew it was HG , and asked " So , do you have a different wheel for each tune ? " _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:38:58 +0100 From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Hi list > Any good concerts coming >up? Yes there sure is. We have Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton playing at Pied a Terre here in Norwich UK. Tuesday 20 June 2000. 8.00 pm at the Frazer Hall, Norwich Labour Club, Bethel Street, Norwich. If anyone wants directions get back to me or call me on the number below. There's also Thoresby Park Fest Noz, in Nottinghamshire, on the weekend of 9th June. Some really good bands are playing, including The New Cliff Stapleton Band on Saturday 10th. My band Xim are playing on Friday night 9th June (gulp). Frank Frank Vickers Norwich, UK tel +44 (0)1603 505910 fax +44 (0)870 052 3751 http://www.xim.org.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:44:48 +0100 From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: HG: What is it? Hi At the Arran Folk Festival a group of people were watching from a private room in the hotel we were playing at. They had placed bets; it was either a cheese grater, half an avocado or a small boat. I confirmed it was a cheese grater. Frank Frank Vickers Norwich, UK tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050 fax +44 (0)870 052 3751 http://www.xim.org.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:48:26 +0100 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers Here's my contribution: At a session last week - really brilliant, Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton were both there - someone was looking at Nigel's hg and said: "I understand violins and guitars, but what went wrong there ?..." _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:49:19 +0100 From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_ btinternet.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Yes... and more. On Sunday 9th July, L'Ensemble de Musique Traditionelle de l'Ecole Nationale de Musique do Nevers play in the St Albans festival. They are a 50 piece group of musicians (incl HGs and bagpipes). They are doing a 1 hour spot in the morning followed by 1 hour dance instruction. Then there is a concert in the evening followed by a bal to finish the day. Also that day is Gorice, a Hungarian four piece who are doing a ''meet Gorice' spot in the afternoon and are appearing in the evening concert. There is also something English - the Copper family - three generations of a Sussex family with a singing tradition that reaches back in the 19th century are also doing a 'meet the Copper family' hour and are appearing at the concert. A great treat just before we all head off for St Chartier. Web site for the whole festival (which takes place over three weeks) is www.stalbans.gov.uk/festival. The festival information office tel is 01727 844222 and booking office tel. 01727 844488 For the US contingent, St Albans is about 20 minutes on the train from London and is an old market town with a Cathedral, with ruins from its Roman predecessor, Verulanium. Well worth visit even without the festival David _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:28:20 -0700 From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers Overheard after the concert. First stranger to second stranger: "It's called a hubbywoof." Overheard while making separate piles of coins on top of the vielle keybox (to divide amongst musicians after busking). First stranger to second stranger: "Oh look Trevor, a wooden cash register." Juan Wijngaard _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:54:15 EDT From: Jlaub357 _at_ aol.com Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Well, I wish I had one! But I'm waiting patiently for mine to be built . . . :) Judy _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:05:23 -0700 From: Rachael Kenoyer <rachaelk _at_ aa.net> Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... > Well, I wish I had one! But I'm waiting patiently for > mine to be built . > . . :) So am I, Judy. But someday soon, we'll both be proud owners! This is as good a time as any to finally de-lurk and introduce myself. My name (as you can plainly see) is Rachael Kenoyer, and I live in Seattle, Washington. I have been fascinated by the hurdy-gurdy for over fifteen years The first time I laid eyes on a HG was in the early eighties, at a small Renaissance festival. This very helpful gentleman had a Bosch reproduction gurdy, and after listening for a few minutes, I was *completely* hooked. I spent the rest of my time that day asking him questions, listening to/drooling over the instrument, and generally committing the sin of covetousness. I determined that afternoon that, SOMEDAY, I'd have one of my own. Fast forward to a few months ago, when I put in my order with Alden and Cali---thanks, you two! In the meantime, I've fed my addiction to this lovely instrument by collecting various recordings---only twenty-six as of now. My favorite HG recordings are Valentin Clastrier's _Great Masters of the Hurdy-Gurdy_ , Adaro's _Stella Splendens_, and anything by Garmarna, Blowzabella, or Hedningarna. I must admit, the idea of running a hurdy gurdy through effects makes me shiver with antici.... <laugh> Is it necessary to mention that I've ordered an electro-acoustic model? ;-) Thanks again, Alden and Cali---I'll no doubt see you (and meet many others) at Folklife! ~~Rachael _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:10:21 EDT From: JPeekstok _at_ aol.com Subject: HG: HGs at Folklife Festival? Hello to Pacific Northwest gurdists! Who is going to be there? Who is performing, and when and where? Telynor will be in the Ranier Roon (and on KBCS radio) Monday at 1:40 pm. The Over the Water gang will be doing a French dance Saturday at 3:30 in the Flag Pavilion West. I assume there will be an ongoing jam session somewhere in the Alki Room/Coliseum area. Anything else?? John Peekstok http://members.aol.com/telynor/ _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:43:05 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Folklife Festival John said: >The Over the Water gang will be doing a French dance Saturday at 3:30 in the >Flag Pavilion West. This should be tons of fun - each year the dancing crowd and band get bigger. >I assume there will be an ongoing jam session somewhere in the Alki >Room/Coliseum area. There certainly should be! We try to be off the beaten track enough to avoid creating congestion, but close enough to be easily found. As John said, we're usually somewhere north of the Arena, near the kid's fountain. If you can't find us, try calling us on the cellular phone (yes, a hopelessly yuppie toy, but invaluable in situations like this). The number is 360-509-0706. Cali and I tend to arrive a little later in the day, like between 10 and noon, so before that we won't know where the rest of the group is either. If you're coming to play, bringing your own seating is a plus, though chairs are also available. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:44:30 GMT From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers >Occasionally someone will surprise me with a really off-the-wall guess >about what it is. 15 years ago I played hurdy-gurdy in a famous folkclub in Rome, called FolkStudio (Bob Dylan played there when he was seventeen...) and during my performance, people asked me to "explain" the instrument. So I did a 10 minutes "lecture" about HG features, then at the end of the concert an old lady told me: - thank you for the music and for the "explanation"...just a question...where did you take the air to inflate it? - _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:45:18 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: HG: Re: Folklife Festival > > _______________________________________________ > The Hurdy-Gurdy Mailing List > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com This link, shes a not a working. r.t. > _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:05:15 +0200 From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr> Subject: HG: Saint Chartier 2000 Hi, A bilingual site for St Chartier : http://www.saintchartier.com/ Dominique _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:21:39 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Folklife Festival RT said: >> http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com > >This link, shes a not a working. Try it now - the server has been up and down the last few days. ;-( It works for me, right now. If it still doesn't work for you, please email me at hg-admin _at_ hurdygurdy.com. Thanks! See you Thursday, RT! Your peg and tangents are almost done. Alden the listmaster. _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:29:24 -0600 From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org> Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Howdy, I've posted a few times, but I realized that I probably had not properly introduced myself (and I do want to be polite). My name is Arle Lommel. I play Hungarian tekerõ (I have a standard guitar-bodied model in A) and am hoping in the next few months to acquire a bass tekerõ (one octave lower). Although I am impressed by the French instruments I come to the HG from an interest in Hungarian music and so am interested primarily in that variation.) Besides which they're cheaper... I don't suppose anyone else on this list is in Utah (where I currently reside)? How about Alaska (where I'm from)? -Arle _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:00:40 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Hi Arle, I have lived in both Utah and Alaska in the past, but my home now is in Washington State. I have been on the list since the start but mostly just read rather than post much. I'm one of the Over the Water bunch working on the Festival. I came to the hurdy gurdy through early music. I hope to meet you some time since you are so close - western US is close compared to most on the list. :-) Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:18:26 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: HG: Re: Saint Chartier 2000 They have finally come into the cyber age. The best part is the archive listing the performers, luthiers and the concour winners. It is very interesting to see who won prizes in the concour each year. r.t. _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:27:03 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: HG: Where are they now? Where are they now? La Sabotee Sancerroise. I noticed in the St. Chartier web page that this group performed at St. Chartier many years ago. They were a "folkloric" group and made 2 records distributed on Arion. Many folkloric groups have made records and many are not really that well produced or recorded. This group is an exception. The group was under the direction of D'andre Dubois. I have Volume 2 and I am trying to find anyone that has Volume 1. _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:23:31 +0100 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com> To: <hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member > Dear Rose, > There certainly are some female hurdy gurdy players out here! > I, too, will be at St. Chartier this summer. Maybe we should make a > plan to meet each other? > > Chris Wright in Seattle, WA, USA > Hi Chris Definitely! See you there! Let's arrange nearer the time ... Rose _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:29:28 -0700 From: Dominic A White <ick _at_ awenet.com> Subject: HG: Hurdy Gurdys at Folklife Hello all, I have been just returned to beautiful Ballard from a month long sojurn to New England, sans Hurdy Gurdy unfortunately, and am trying to get back in the loop. Does anyone know what days hurdy gurdys will be being played at Folk Life this weekend? Dominic Dominic A. White www.awenet.com/~ick MIDNIGHT PASS www.midnight-pass.com "I never had a sore arm." ---Cy Young. 1904: 44 consecutive scoreless innings Major League records: 511 wins, 815 starts, and 749 complete games. Hall of Fame in 1937. _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:50:07 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: HG: Re: Hurdy Gurdys at Folklife Saturday, Sunday and Monday pretty much all day. There may be some showing up on Friday, but that is a much quieter day. We are usually in the area north of the Key Arena, not too far from the Musical Instrument Emporium. We won't know the location for sure until we get there. There are usually a few chairs to be scrounged, but not always enough for everyone, so bringing your own folding chair or stool can be a good thing. Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:04:40 -0700 From: Cynthia A. Wright <cwright _at_ smartt.com> Subject: HG: peg problems Greetings all, I've a peg problem that I'm hoping someone can help me with. I'm new to HG ownership, only having gotten my much loved HG in Janurary (thanks Theo ;-) The instrument is a lute-back about 17 years old. Within the last month or so, I've been having problems with my pegs NOT staying in (they are the traditional tapered kind). While I've been able to solve the problem with most of them with the judicious use of a bit of chalk, I've one that will not stay in no matter how much chalk (or pressure) is applied. I've taken it out, and gently removed any soap or peg dope that may have been on it, with ultra fine steel wool, and reapplied the chalk, but it still won't keep its hold. Any ideas/solutions? Thanks in advance. (Hope to meet everyone at the "Over the Water HG Festival" outside of Seattle in September. A "must attend".) Cynthia Wright Vancouver, BC, Canada. _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:29:35 +0100 From: Jon H <jon _at_ carlton.powernet.co.uk> Subject: HG: New HG web site Hi all, I have just finished and uploaded my HG web site and would be interested in any feebdack, good or bad! it is at "welcome.to/jukes" Cheers - Jon Hall _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:13:10 -0700 From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: HG: Re: peg problems Sounds as though the hole needs rereaming and a new peg fitting to match, but check first that there are no splits in the wood of the peg-box around the peg. If there are, they need fixing first. The standard reamer provides a taper that with light pressure should be enough for the peg to hold , and the paste/dope is only to permit it to turn evenly; if excessive pressure is needed, then it will become even worse and something else will break. _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:30:50 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: peg problems Cynthia wrote: >I've a peg problem that I'm hoping someone can help me with. > >I'm new to HG ownership, only having gotten my much loved HG in Janurary >(thanks Theo ;-) I expect that Theo is about to post some suggestions. >The instrument is a lute-back about 17 years old. >Within the last month or so, I've been having problems with my pegs NOT >staying in (they are the traditional tapered kind). We worked on this instrument for Theo a few years ago. One of the things we did was bush the peg holes: put new wood in the peg holes to help the pegs hold better. The taper on the pegs is quite a bit higher than usual, so they have more of a tendency to slip out, as you've noticed ;-( It's possible that the bushing in that hole is slipping against the other wood of the peghead. I hope not, and it's less likely, but it's a possibility. >While I've been able to solve the problem with most of them with the >judicious use of a bit of chalk, I've one that will not stay in no matter >how much chalk (or pressure) is applied. One trick that you can use to perhaps persuade it to behave is to wind the string on so that the coil of the string rides up on the peg and pulls it down. This is a little hard to explain in words, but I'll try. As we look at it from the side, the string can either approach the peg straight on (square to the center line of the peg), pointing toward the top of the peg, or pointing toward the bottom. If it's pointing toward the bottom, the pressure of the string against the windings above will push the peg upwards, pushing it out of the tapered hole. If it's pointing toward the top with windings of string below it supporting it, the pressure of the string against those windings will pull the peg down. This can sometimes make the difference between whether the peg holds or not. This means that you need nice neat winding of the string around the peg, progressing up the peg. You need enough that the string is supported, but not so much that it forms double layers of windings. Some judicious adjustment may be in order. You're working at a complicated task in a confined space, so patience is the order of the day. When this is all done, it still may not help, but having it the other way will certainly make your task more difficult. If it's pointing toward the center, its force on the peg is neutral at that moment, but it will fall into one of these other two positions pretty soon. >I've taken it out, and gently removed any soap or peg dope that may have >been on it, with ultra fine steel wool, and reapplied the chalk, but it >still won't keep its hold. These are the right things to try first. A light (400 or 600) sandpaper is fine too. The other thing to try is pushing down on the tourne-a-gauche as you're turning it. This keeps the peg jammed into the hole. Sometimes this helps. The ultimate solution is to replace the existing pegs with pegs that have less taper, or with mechanical tuners. >Thanks in advance. >(Hope to meet everyone at the "Over the Water HG Festival" outside of >Seattle in September. >A "must attend".) We're looking forward to seeing you there, if not before. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:39:28 +0100 From: Steven Lane <bourgogne _at_ bourgogne.free-online.co.uk> Subject: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Hi Frank. I am based in Teesside and missed the Fez Noz last year. Do you have a contact numebr for tickets and more details please. Thanks - Steve Lane ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... > Hi list > > Any good concerts coming > >up? > > Yes there sure is. We have Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton playing at > Pied a Terre here in Norwich UK. > > Tuesday 20 June 2000. 8.00 pm at the Frazer Hall, Norwich Labour Club, > Bethel Street, Norwich. > > If anyone wants directions get back to me or call me on the number > below. > > There's also Thoresby Park Fest Noz, in Nottinghamshire, on the weekend > of 9th June. Some really good bands are playing, including The New > Cliff Stapleton Band on Saturday 10th. My band Xim are playing on > Friday night 9th June (gulp). > > Frank > Frank Vickers > Norwich, UK > tel +44 (0)1603 505910 > fax +44 (0)870 052 3751 > http://www.xim.org.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:04:56 EDT From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Hello out there... There appear to be lots of Hurdy Gurdy things happening in the U.K., France and around the Northwest United States area, but I'm in Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Are there any concerts or groups around this area? Grace and her lonely hurdy-gurdy in Boston. _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:25 EDT From: Dfiddler _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: HG: New HG web site What a delight to see your gurdy in process! I think you've done a splendid job with the photos and the journal - thank you. Marjy Fiddler _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:56:59 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Boston area Hi Grace , The principal HG gathering in Boston is the NEFFA (New England Folk Festival ) http://www.neffa.org/~neffa/ , the number of HG players increase each year ( 8 last spring ) In Vermont there is the " Fête de la Vielle " http://prydein.com/vielle/vielle.html and the Northumbrian pipers convention, in North Hero, by the end of August. There should be a few HG players in Québec city , for the ' Fêtes de la Nouvelle-France" this summer , but they will be professional musicians , hired for the event . Now I have a question : Is there such a thing as a maximum diametre for a HG wheel ? I am making large guitar shape HG in the style of the instruments used in eastearn Brittany . The sound box could accept a 9 " wheel ( with some easthetic prejudice <g>) Is 8 1/2" to big ? Henry _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:22:15 -0700 From: R. Hall <olniteowl _at_ harbornet.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Try Nan Donald. E - mail- gaita _at_ mediaone.net Nan has a nice luteback and a trio that plays French music in Boston. R. Hall ---------- >From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com >Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... >Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 5:04 PM > >Hello out there... >There appear to be lots of Hurdy Gurdy things happening in the U.K., France >and around the Northwest United States area, but I'm in Boston, >Massachusetts, U.S.A. Are there any concerts or groups around this area? >Grace and her lonely hurdy-gurdy in Boston. _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:05:21 +0100 From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Hello >Hi Frank. I am based in Teesside and missed the Fez Noz last year. Do you >have a contact numebr for tickets and more details please. > >Thanks - Steve Lane > There's a web site at www.notscc.giv.uk/arts the phone number is 0116 233 3111 ta ta Frank Frank Vickers Norwich, UK tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050 fax +44 (0)870 052 3751 http://www.xim.org.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:42:29 +0100 From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back... Oops typo! >There's a web site at >www.notscc.giv.uk/arts Should be www.notscc.gov.uk/arts sorry Frsnk ! Frank Vickers _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:43:06 +0100 From: Jon H <jon _at_ carlton.powernet.co.uk> Subject: Re: HG: New HG web site HI Marjy, >What a delight to see your gurdy in process! I think you've done a splendid >job with the photos and the journal - thank you. Thank you for the kind words. I am glad you enjoyed the site. Seeing my gurdy being built was a wonderful thing, and I wanted to share my excitement with everybody else! Regards - Jon Hall _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:08:48 -0400 From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com> Subject: HG: Fêtes de la Nouvelle-France At 08:56 PM 5/25/00 -0400, Henry wrote: >There should be a few HG players in Québec city , for the ' Fêtes de la >Nouvelle-France" >this summer , but they will be professional musicians, hired for the >event. Thanks for the info Henry -- do you know who this will at Quebec city this year? (Or does anybody?) cath _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:29:04 +0200 From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl> Subject: HG: intoduction Hello all the people on the "HG-list" I'm new on the list and I understand that I have to give a short introduction of myself and my interest in hurdy gurdy's; well, here it is: My name is Cor Westbroek, I'm from the Netherlands and I'm interested in hurdy gurdy's and it's music since about twenty years. About 15 years ago I started to play. Over the years I have been doing "stages" with the dutch "hurdy gurdy and bagpipes foundation" http://www.antenna.nl. In 1989 I finished my self- made lute-back hurdy gurdy, which I still play. I also play on a "Boudet" and on a "Pajot Fils". My favourite music is the french "bourbonnais music" and I play that kind of music in a band called "Quatre-L", together with pipe-maker and piper Frans Hattink (you can find his website at the site of "Universe of bagpipes"< http://www.hotpipes.com >) and occasional other musicians. I hope to receive many interesting e-mails from the list and maybe I can be of some help to anyone concerning hurdy gurdy's. Cor Westbroek. Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:46:40 +0100 From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk> Subject: HG: Drawings Hi all Well, after a few months of enlightening hacking and chopping away at this and that, I now have a complete, and playable, Bosch HG. Many thanks again to those who helped with advice and pointed me in the right direction when needed, particularly Brian who helped in the final stages with basics such as string alignment and cottoning the strings. Now all I've got to do is learn how to play the thing! Although I now really need to turn my attention to re-building my kitchen, I am already thinking about another project, another gurdy - a bigger and better gurdy! I have always thought the Henry III model an attractive instrument, although I can be persuaded by a nice guitar bodied gurdy. So, the question is, where should I look for drawings for (preferably) a Henry III model HG? Marcello's drawings of the Bosch were superb, and building from them was a delight; does anyone produce anything of remotely the same quality? I am aware of the EMS plans for their gurdy kit, but that instrument has come in for some criticism, also Michael Muskett has drawings which are described as having 'a minimal amount of detail', which might leave me scratching about for accurate and sound detail. I have also looked briefly at Pascal Cranga's web site, which is unfortunately wholly in French. As usual, your (collective) advice is gratefully sought, and received. Nick _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HG: intoduction Welcome, Cor I'm a little slow with Nederlander and Flemish ;-) but I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions once I've had time to digest the material. I was hoping for some .abc's of Netherlands folk tunes. Could you give me a hint? Later Roy T. _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> Subject: HG: low G trompette Several people have asked us in person about the low G trompette (g instead of g') that we were experimenting with in the last year or so. What we were using was a gimped string from Dan Larson, Gamut Musical Strings. This is a gut string which has one or more strands of wire wound into the string when it's made. This makes it much more dense than a gut string (metal being much more dense than gut) but not as dense as an overspun string, the wirewound strings typically used on the bourdons. These strings are measured in "gut equivalents": the diameter of the string might be 0.85 mm, but it is equivalent to a 1.40 mm string in weight per unit length, so it's sold as a 1.40 mm equivalent. If you were to buy a 1.40 mm gut, you'd find it to be very thick and "plunky", not the sort of thing that works well as a trompette string which needs to be flexible. We were carrying some of these strings before we reduced our string business to just Savarez and our personal brand Althea Gut. Our results with them were mixed - sometimes they were great, sounded good and were durable. Sometimes they didn't last very long. The best string we found for the low g trompette was a G145, a gimped string equivalent to 1.45 mm. These are available from Dan Larson, Gamut Musical Strings, www.daniellarson.com/, 1-888-724-8099. Your mileage may vary. Has anyone else tried different strings for different trompette tunings? Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html "Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae." _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:56:44 EDT From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com Subject: HG: Re: low G trompette In a message dated 5/30/00 10:45:56 AM, darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu writes: >...our personal brand Althea Gut If I were Althea (the Hackmanns' cat), I would take strong exception to that name! I've been using a synthetic string tuned to C for my trompette for years, and I seem to be able to tune it down to a G to produce a nice low buzz. It's not very responsive on fast tunes, but works ok for slow to medium speed stuff. Anna Peekstok _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette On Tue, 30 May 2000 APeekstok _at_ aol.com wrote: > >...our personal brand Althea Gut > > If I were Althea (the Hackmanns' cat), I would take strong exception to that > name! There's some historical precedent for the name. For several years we sold Purr'll Gut, a name we inherited from Donna Curry. She had named it after her cat, Burrwell, which is pronounced Burr'll, as in Burl and Ives. We sold the name "Purr'll Gut" to Bob Thornberg when we sold the string business, so we need a new name for the strings. Althea was, of course, rubbing up against my leg as I entered the pricelist... If anyone can think of a good name for our strings, we're open to suggestions. ;-) Puns, gentle or otherwise, get highest consideration. Just to make it clear, there is no cat gut in gut strings. They are made from sheep gut. > I've been using a synthetic string tuned to C for my trompette for years, and > I seem to be able to tune it down to a G to produce a nice low buzz. It's not > very responsive on fast tunes, but works ok for slow to medium speed stuff. Is that a nylon string, or PVF? You would think I would remember these things. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:47:12 -0400 From: jriosa _at_ ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette >If anyone can think of a good name for our strings, we're open to >suggestions. ;-) Puns, gentle or otherwise, get highest >consideration. > >Just to make it clear, there is no cat gut in gut strings. They are made >from sheep gut. So in that case Alden, maybe you could call it Ovisform? Jim Riosa IT Specialist, Logic Programming phone (905)-316-4820, pager (416)-608-3707 jriosa _at_ ca.ibm.com _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:57:25 EDT From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette In a message dated 5/30/00 11:43:33 AM, darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu writes: >Is that a nylon string, or PVF? I'm afraid I don't remember, either. Could you tell by looking? ----- Anna Peekstok _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette Anna said: > > >Is that a nylon string, or PVF? > > I'm afraid I don't remember, either. Could you tell by looking? Just by looking, no - PVF and nylon look identical. Their densities are significantly different, so measuring with a pair of calipers should reveal (by logic) which one it is. PVF strings are much thinner than their nylon equivalents. Alden |
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