Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - May 2000

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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:13:31 -0400
From: Roy Shrive <beerroybeer _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: 

Alden,
Where do you get the teflon filled delrin?[same place you get the delrin?]
Does it have a speical name? I have been using a teflon linier bearing which
is quite expensive [About $12]
                   Roy
________________________________________________________________________


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:00:24 -0400
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Bearing materials

Roy said:

>Where do you get the teflon filled delrin?[same place you get the delrin?]
>Does it have a speical name? I have been using a teflon linier bearing which
>is quite expensive [About $12]

We get it at MSC Industrial Supply, where we can buy it in 1-foot, 2-foot,
or 4-foot pieces.  It's still pretty expensive (maybe 50 cents or a dollar
an inch depending on the diameter), but I like the workability and wear
better than delrin, so it's worth it.  We also get delrin there, or at
Laird Plastics in Seattle.

I've tried 100% teflon, and I think it's a lot of trouble to turn on the
lathe, more than it's worth.

Alden

Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 04:26:02 -0400
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Contact

Hi Folks

I'm trying to contact Valentin Clastrier to see if he would be willing
to do a master-class.  Does anyone know how I can get in touch with him?

Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
        tel +44 (0)1603 505910/441050
        fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/xim1.htm

Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 04:42:49 -0400
From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr>
Subject: HG: Brayauds site?

Bonsoir,

Someone published here the URL for a site by (or about) Les Brayauds I
did'nt keep. I'd like to add it to my page about Centre France Music :

http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html

Would anyone know it?

Thanks in advance

Dominique


Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:12:11 -0400
From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_ btinternet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Brayauds site?

At 04:42 07/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Bonsoir,
>
>Someone published here the URL for a site by (or about) Les Brayauds I
>did'nt keep. I'd like to add it to my page about Centre France Music :
>
>http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html
>
>Would anyone know it?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Dominique
>
>

Dominique

The web address for Les Brayauds is:

http://www.multimania.com/brayauds


David


Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 04:59:05 -0400
From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Greetings from a newcomer

Hello, all members of the Hurdy-gurdy mailing list!

I have just joined the Hurdy-gurdy mailing list. This is my first mail to
the ML.

At first I ask you all to have enough tolerance to read my terrible English,
because English is not my mother tongue. I hope also you have a good
imagination to decode what I write.

Now, let me introduce myself.
My name is OTAKE Keiji, a japanese hurdy-gurdy(HG) player residing in
Thailand. Call me Kei.
Don't misunderstand that it exist a kind of HG among the japanese
traditional instruments. There is nothing resembling the HG with japanese
and thai instruments.
I play on french HG. I am not a professional musician, but a Japanese
language teacher. I play the HG just for my pleasure.
I play principally french traditional tunes, bourree, waltz, polka etc. My
play is influenced by Bourbonnais style of France, although I play in C. My
favorit HG player is Bernard Blanc.

I have a website regarding HG. Sorry to say, almost of contents is written
in Japanese. If you do not mind processions of unreadable simbols, you can
visit URL below.
"Vielleux in Thailand"
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/8316/index_e.html

Regards to all ML members
________________________________________________________________________


Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:14:37 -0400
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: HG: Bernard Kerboeuf


Hi all!
 
Could anyone help me with the URL to the homepage of the famous HG-maker
Bernard Kerboeuf? The URL i used untill now and that is also located on
Les Brayauds-homepage and St.Chartier-homepage (
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/kerbfr.htm )
unfortunately doesn't work. Thank You! 

Ernst

Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:49:27 -0400
From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Bernard Kerboeuf

Bonsoir,

Ernst Kainzmeier a *crit : 
> Could anyone help me with the URL to the
>homepage of the famous HG-maker Bernard Kerboeuf? The URL i used untill
>now and that is also located on Les Brayauds-homepage and
>St.Chartier-homepage (
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/kerbfr.htm )
>unfortunately doesn't work.

Try this link :

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/kerbfr.htm#top

Some new stuff on my page by the way, like MIDI tunes from Coup de 4, JC
Laporte (Last pupil of Gaston Guillemain) group.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html

Cheers

Dominique


Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:13:36 -0400
From: "APeekstok _at_ aol.com" <APeekstok _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Greetings from a newcomer

Welcome, Kei. Your English is perfectly clear, and your web site is very
nice, especially the page describing how the vielle works, complete with
diagrams and sound samples. I'm adding a link to it from the Over the Water
Hurdy-Gurdy Festival site (http://members.aol.com/vielle/).

If anyone is wondering who the heck *I* am, I've been playing the HG since
1985, mostly with my husband in a Seattle band called Telynor
(http://members.aol.com/telynor/). I've been lurking since this list was
formed, not out of snootiness--just hadn't gotten around to introducing
myself!

Anna Peekstok



Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:25:30 -0400
From: Roy Shrive <beerroybeer _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Kei's web sight

Hi everybody,
  Wonder if someone could post Kei's websight again. I accidentally deleted
it
________________________________________________________________________



Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:57:40 -0400
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Kei's web sight


Roy Shreve said:

>   Wonder if someone could post Kei's websight again.

Here it is:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/8316/index_e.html

As Anna mentioned, this is a great website, even if you don't read
Japanese - the diagrams of the coup strokes are worth a visit.

Welcome to the list, Kei!

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."


Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:14:42 -0400
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Greetings from a newcomer


Hi Kei

welcome here!
I love your page (even the Japanese parts :o) and I'm going to put a link in
my page (in Italian of course...with some english translations).

ciao (that's see you :o)

Marcello


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:56:49 -0400
From: "JPeekstok _at_ aol.com" <JPeekstok _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: Announce: Hurdy-Gurdy Festival

One and all are invited to the fifth annual

OVER THE WATER HURDY-GURDY FESTIVAL AND FRENCH DANCE WEEKEND


September 19-24 at Fort Flagler State Park on Marrowstone Island in the Puget

Sound near Seattle, WA, USA.


This unique festival brings hurdy-gurdy players, dancers, and world-class

instructors together for intensive instruction, great food, and natural

beauty. Ongoing classes and self-contained workshops for players will cover

melodic techniques such as fingering and tone production, rhythm (trompette)

playing, repertoire, and instrument setup and maintenance. An ongoing Basic

Skills class will be offered daily for beginners. Dance instruction (Saturday
and sunday only) will focus on regional French repertoires, and the Saturday
evening "Bal Folk"

will feature live music by the largest hurdy-gurdy band this side of the

Atlantic. Other evening activities include instructor concerts, an open mike,
an electric jam, and general merriment and music-making.


Instructors this year are:

Cliff Stapleton -- Advanced Hurdy-Gurdy Techniques

Marilyn Smith -- Classes on specific regional French Dances

Pierre Imbert -- Modern Alternatives for the Hurdy-Gurdy, Ryhthm

Marcello Bono -- Baroque Hurdy-Gurdy

Joanne Andrus -- Medieval and Rennaisance Music for the Hurdy-Gurdy

Anna Peekstok -- Basic Skills, Singing with the Hurdy-Gurdy, Arranging

RT Taylor -- French Dance Repertoire

Luther Black -- Mazurka and Waltz Variations, Scottishes

Marjorie Fiddler -- Basic Skills

Alden Hackmann - Make a Dog

John Peekstok -- Accompanying the Hurdy Gurdy, Arranging

Chris Wright -- Slow Jam


Price options range from $90 for the "short weekend" to $425 for the full 5
1/2 day camp.

More details are at the website at:

http://members.aol.com/vielle/


or contact the registrar:

Joanne Andrus   jjandr _at_ netzero.net

1511 SW 320 Ct.

Federal Way, WA  98023


The festival is produced by the Over the Water Hurdy-Gurdy Association, a

nonprofit corporation (tax deductible donations gratefully accepted).


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:33:42 -0400
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: HG: Hungarian HG for sale

Hello everyone:

I got the following post from a list serve I subscribe to and thought
it might be of some interest to HG list members. I have visited the
site and there are some nice pictures of Hungarian HGs although the
information on the instrument for sale is only available on the
Hungarian version of the page (at the very bottom). I have made
inquiries about price and shipping possibilities but have not heard
back yet. It is unlikely that I will actually purchase the instrument
(I am a poor student), but I thought it would be nice information to
someone on the HG list:

Dear Folks !

I got a hurdy-gurdy, made by Barsony in 1970, to repair, and now it is for
sale.
I made a whole renovation on it, so it became a well-usable instrument.
It has a new wheel and ball bearing, and with the new strings it has a
really nice sound.
Its outside is nicer, than the later Barsony-hurdy-gurdies, as it is from
the maker's earlier period.
I can offer it for musicians, and collectors, as well, as I think, it is a
really valuable instrument in every respect.

You could see the picture of the instrument on my web-site.
http://w3.datanet.hu/~taltos/balazshu.htm

Best regards  NAGY Balazs  - hurdy-gurdy maker


***************

The Hungarian text at the bottom of the page concerning the
instrument says essentially what Balazs'  e-mail says. (By the way,
Balazs is his given name and Nagy is the family name--Hungarian names
are given in reverse order from what other Europeans are used to.)

I don't have any idea what the instrument would cost, but given the
weakness of the Hungarian forint against the dollar, I suspect that
the price would be very reasonable for a U.S. buyer.

-Arle


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:43:58 -0400
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: HG: Cottoning

Hello everyone:

one other post from me. This one is a request for some help.

I play a 1999 János Vrabel Hungarian HG with one chanter string, one 
bass drone and one tenor drone. When I first got the instrument I was 
able to recotton it quite successfully but since then I have had no 
luck in cottoning it properly. I suspect that I need to use a 
different material or that my technique is wrong (and that my first 
cottoning was a lucky attempt). At present the chanter string works 
OK (it still has my original cottoning job), the tenor drone works 
moderately well and the bass drone doesn't work at all (it is a heavy 
gut string). I had to give a brief demonstration on the instrument a 
few weeks ago and had to play with the bass drone uncottoned. It 
worked well but I could see the wear on the string from just about 
thirty minutes of playing.

I do not want to buy one of the books on French HGs because much of 
what they would have to say is particular to French instruments, so 
does anyone have any "quick and dirty" suggestions on how to cotton 
my instrument?

-Arle Lommel



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:33:31 -0400
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: HG: Re: Cottoning

Hello Arle!
 
Don't worry about Your cottoning... for me too it's always a pieve of luck
if You will get a horrible or fine cottoning on Your strings. But I want
say that for my opinion there is no difference in cottoning between french
or hungarian style HG. I don't know what kind of cotton wool You use but I
use silk wool for about one year and mostly I got good results in
cottoning. Silk wool have long and soft fibres. I get the silk in shops
for hunting equipment!! Hunters use silk wool to clean their gun-barrels
inside from oil or dust. One thing I do is to glue the silk onto the
string... for that I use liquid rosin (rosin-dust in methylic alkohol) or
I rub with the rosin-stone over the part of the string where I want to
cottoning. Don't forget to protect the wheel against rosin drops with a
piece of paper. Then take a little part of the silk (like a little cushion
where You can look through), put it under the string and hold it on both
ends. Then put the string on the wheel and turn the wheel slowly and
carefully. You then will imagine that the silk will wrap around the
string. Continuing turning the wheel try to stuff the silk between wheel
and string using Your thumb... be carefully and don't touch the wheel
surface! When it's done recover redundant parts of the silk and turn the
wheel faster. After a short time for drying the liquid rosin the job
should be done. Now You're able to turn the wheel forward and backward to
make some nice ornamentations. Well, I hope You can use some of my
hints... it's a little difficult for me to explain such technique things
in english so please pardon me for typing errors or wrong grammar.
 
Good Luck!
 
Ernst

Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:20:43 -0400
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca>
Subject: HG: Cotton,


Hi Arle , it is not easy to describe the cottononig operation , but lets
try .
Generally the first advice is take a LITTLE bit of cotton , very little
, the strict minimun,
now split that in half <g>.

The other problem could be to much rosin on the wheel , wich give a very
coarse sound.
To little rosin gives a thin sound .

Henry Boucher



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:37:00 -0400
From: Katie Roe <taddea _at_ wizards.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Cotton,


>
Hi Arle ,

I agree that it is not easy to describe, but I'll give it a try.

I use alot more cotton on my bass string than the others, but I use the
same technique for all the strings.  Most players change their cotton
often.  I even changed mine (all three) minutes before a gig last week.
This was the very first thing I learned to do.  I had a friend who shoved
her HG at me and said, "Your first lesson is changing cotton."  I was SO
scared I nearly dropped her instrument.

1.	Remove the cotton from the string by putting the string on the lift to
keep it off the wheel and then pick off the cotton gently.  Be careful not
to touch your wheel.

2.	Take your rosin and rub it on the string over where you are going to
place the cotton.  This works only for solid, not powdered rosin.  Doing
this makes the string slightly sticky and helps the cotton to adhere to
the string.  I don't know how to do the powdered rosin, sorry.

3.	Take a small wad of cotton or silk.  Use only a wisp of cotton.  You
don't want too much.  I find the amount is slightly larger for the heavier
strings.  Learning the amount will require some practice and patience.
Each instrument has it's limits and you will need to learn your's. Pull
the cotton fibers so that they are going in the same direction, culling
any impurities or lumps out as you go.

4.	Once the cotton is prepared hold it with your first finger and thumb of
your left hand, the cotton hanging down.  Bring it to the string and form
a loop with the cotton with the string inside the loop just to the left of
the wheel.  Hold the top of the loop with your left hand and run it down
the string until it is above the wheel.

5. 	With your right hand lower the string until it is touching the wheel,
the cotton between the wheel and the string.

6.	This is the tricky part.  Very gently and slowly turn the wheel and let
go of the looped cotton.  You want to let go just a split second after you
start turning.  With your thumb just in front of the string (not touching
the wheel), guide the cotton as it starts to wrap itself on the string.

7.	You may need to add rosin once you have changed your cotton.  I put my
rosin on between my chanter and bass strings so that the less sensitive
base string gets the bulk of it, since the other strings need so much less.

I hope this helps,

Katie Roe




Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:19:16 -0400
From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Thanks for link / cotton

Hi everybody.
This is Kei from Thailand.

I thank you that many of you have visited my website. I am very glad to hear
you found it not so bad and put a link to it. I will also add links to your
sites that I've got the URLs. (About 'GHIRONDA', I've already put a link to
it last year. Sorry for late notice, Marcello)

Question of cotton, I agree with Katie. I am lazy but I force myself to
change cotton.
In my case, when the HG does not sound well, changing cotton often helps to
get it better.

Kei Otake

________________________________________________________________________



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:01:42 -0400
From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr>
Subject: HG: New URLs

Hi,

Please note the new addresses for Bernard Kerboeuf and JS Maître
(cornemuse) :

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/kerbfr.htm#top

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Fabrice_ALADENIZE/plaix_fr/tarifjsm.htm#top

Cheers

Dominique


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:44:33 -0400
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: HG: Fw: new member


----- Original Message ----- 
From: rose daly 
To: hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Fw: new member



Hope this gets through this time!

 - i'm a new UK member and fairly new to the hurdygurdy although I have
been listening to Cliff Stapleton's and Nigel Eaton's recordings with with
Blowzabella for years.  I have a lute bodied hg in C and G made by Mike
Gilpin whiiich I am learning to play.. I like folk music (French, English,
Irish) and early music.  I've been playing for about a year now and
planning to go to St Chartier this year for the first time.  There must be
some other female players out there??!!


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:13:09 -0400
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: More cotton


Katie's description of changing the cotton is great.  Thank you Katie!

I have just a few things to add to what she said.

>
>2.	Take your rosin and rub it on the string over where you are going to
>place the cotton.  This works only for solid, not powdered rosin.  Doing
>this makes the string slightly sticky and helps the cotton to adhere to
>the string.  I don't know how to do the powdered rosin, sorry.

I like to twist the string around between my fingers when I do this, so
that the rosin ends up on all sides of the string.

>3.	Take a small wad of cotton or silk.  Use only a wisp of cotton.

I'll echo this: less is more.

We've been using fox fiber cotton, which is a naturally short-fiber cotton.
 I find it's easier to work with than the longer-fiber cotton some people
like.  For one thing, it is easier to get the amount you want, and it's
easier to handle.  With a really long-fiber cotton, you need fewer fibers,
and it's harder to estimate and harder to wind.  The stuff we get seems to
have fewer little pieces of junk and tangles too, which I like.  It comes
in various colors, from very light tan to a medium brown.  "Breeder's
Brown" is my favorite, but the color doesn't matter at all.

I've used silk, and I don't really like it.  The fibers are really long,
and once it's wound on it really wants to stay there!  Some people have
reported having better results with it than with cotton in really dusty
situations, and one person says that one instrument really prefers silk and
the other really prefers cotton.  Go figure.

A fiber I've liked better than 100% silk is a silk-cotton blend, 25/75.
The silk fibers are cut shorter, so it goes on easier, and I still get some
of the endurance of silk without the other hassles.


Alden


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:16:27 -0400
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Welcome Rose

Rose said:

>Hope this gets through this time!
> - i'm a new UK member  and fairly new to  the hurdygurdy although I have
been listening to Cliff Stapleton's and Nigel Eaton's recordings with with
Blowzabella for years.  I have a lute bodied hg in C and G made by  Mike
Gilpin whiiich I am learning to play.. I like folk music (French, English,
Irish) and early music.  I've been playing for about a year now  and
planning to go to St Chartier this year for the first time.  There must be
some other female players out there??!!

Welcome, Rose!  (Finally!)

You'll have a lot of fun at St. Chartier.

I think the mixture of players is about 50/50, so you should get a lot of
women responding to your post.

Alden



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:01:23 -0400
From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk>
Subject: HG: 

This message was rejected a few days back, so excuse the lack of
continuity!

Hi Alden
Yes, a Jubilee clip is a hose clamp. Why a Jubilee clip? Dunno!
Nick



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:39:37 -0400
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: HG: Finally ....



managed to post to the list!!  Thanks Alden and Cali and to everyone for
their very useful advice about cottonwool and thanks for your message
Judith.

Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:15:14 -0400
From: Hiroshi Hasebe <hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp>
Subject: HG: 



Hello, folks,

I'e just received my HG, made byAlden and Cali, and spent a whole sunday to
play with
it.  It is, like I thought, my dream instrument and surely my member will
love this precious
sound!!  Thank you, Alden, Cali!!

Forgot to introduce myself, but I am a japanese, and organizing a circus
band, with
banjo, fiddle, and accordion. Looking for a bass player (upright!), so if
you are interested
in, please let me know!!

Again, thank you for the instrument! Ha!

Hiroshi Hasebe, Tokyo
HASEBE, Hiroshi
Center for Asian and Pacific Studies
Office of International Exchange and Research
SEIKEI University
----------------------------------------
3-3-1, Kichijoji-Kitamachi,
Musashino-shi, Tokyo 180-8633, JAPAN
Tel: 0422-37-3549 Fax: 0422-37-3866
http://www.seikei.ac.jp/university/caps/index.html





Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:36:39 -0400
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:


Hiroshi said:

>I'e just received my HG, made byAlden and Cali, and spent a whole sunday to
>play with
>it.  It is, like I thought, my dream instrument and surely my member will
>love this precious
>sound!!  Thank you, Alden, Cali!!

You are most welcome!  We put a lot of love and care into the instruments
we build, and we are always proud to see them go off into the world to new
homes, whether right next door or across the sea.  It's a little like what
I imagine a parent feels like when their child grows up and goes off to a
new life.  We always hope that they behave well and give great pleasure.

>Forgot to introduce myself, but I am a japanese, and organizing a circus
>band, with
>banjo, fiddle, and accordion. Looking for a bass player (upright!), so if
>you are interested
>in, please let me know!!

I hope to hear recordings and see video of this band.  Please keep us
posted as to your projects.

Alden


Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:15:01 -0400
From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re:

Glad to be a source of useless information.

Jubilee is just a brand. Most of mine have "Jubilee" engraved on the nut but
the idea is too good for there to be only one maker of them.



Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:02:27 -0700
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member

Dear Rose,
	There certainly are some female hurdy gurdy players out here! 
I, too, will be at St. Chartier this summer. Maybe we should make a 
plan to meet each other?

Chris Wright in Seattle, WA, USA

_______________________________________________

Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:42:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
To: darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu, etc
Subject: HG list is down


Dear HG list member, 

I regret that the HG list is down temporarily.  I don't have a clear idea
how long it will be before it comes back - it depends on our service
provider and the programmers who wrote the mailing list software.  

Please accept my apologies for this inconvenience.  

I'll send mail to the reconstituted list when it is back in service. 

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html    
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."


Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:48:52 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG:Now that the list is back...


We can start talking about hurdy-gurdies again.  Any good concerts coming
up?  Good CD's you've heard?  Discovered some wonderful fix for that wierd
sound it was making?  

Alden 

_______________________________________________

Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:53:54 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG:Favorite comments from strangers


We've all heard the classic question - "What is that thing?"  I get
surprised when people DON'T ask. Sometimes they guess: "Is that a
harpsichord?" or "a dulcimer"? 

Occasionally someone will surprise me with a really off-the-wall guess
about what it is. Last year a guy saw me carrying my vielle in its blue
Cordura case. He asked me, "So what you got in there, a chainsaw?"

Alden 



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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:43:56 EDT
From: JPeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers


In a message dated 5/20/00 10:52:36 PM, hurdy _at_ silverlink.net writes:
>We've all heard the classic question - "What is that thing?"

Here's one we've gotten a couple of times:

"How many tunes does that thing have in it, anyway?"

John Peekstok

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:34:09 -0400
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca>
Subject: HG: What is it?


Hi everybody,

My favorite observation ( to bad I can not tell it happened to me
personnally , in fact
it happened to a German musician )  was the gentlemen who knew it was
HG , and
asked " So , do you have a different wheel for each tune ? "


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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:38:58 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Hi list
>  Any good concerts coming
>up?  

Yes there sure is.  We have Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton playing at
Pied a Terre here in Norwich UK.

Tuesday 20 June 2000. 8.00 pm at the Frazer Hall, Norwich Labour Club,
Bethel Street, Norwich.

If anyone wants directions get back to me or call me on the number
below.

There's also Thoresby Park Fest Noz, in Nottinghamshire, on the weekend
of 9th June.  Some really good bands are playing, including The New
Cliff Stapleton Band on Saturday 10th.  My band Xim are playing on
Friday night 9th June (gulp).

Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
        tel +44 (0)1603 505910
        fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:44:48 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HG: What is it?

Hi 

At the Arran Folk Festival a group of people were watching from a
private room in the hotel we were playing at.  They had placed bets; it
was either a cheese grater, half an avocado or a small boat.

I confirmed it was a cheese grater.

Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
        tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
        fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:48:26 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers


Here's my contribution:

At a session last week - really brilliant, Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton
were both there - someone was looking at Nigel's hg and said: "I understand
violins and guitars, but what went wrong there ?..."



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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:49:19 +0100
From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_ btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Yes... and more. On Sunday 9th July, L'Ensemble de Musique Traditionelle de
l'Ecole Nationale de Musique do Nevers play in the St Albans festival. They
are a 50 piece group of musicians (incl HGs and bagpipes). They are doing a
1 hour spot in the morning followed by 1 hour dance instruction. Then there
is  a concert in the evening followed by a bal to finish the day.

Also that day is Gorice, a Hungarian four piece who are doing a ''meet
Gorice' spot in the afternoon and are appearing in the evening concert. 

There is also something English - the Copper family - three generations of
a Sussex family with a singing tradition that reaches back in the 19th
century are also doing a 'meet the Copper family' hour and are appearing at
the concert. 

A great treat just before we all head off for St Chartier.

Web site for the whole festival (which takes place over three weeks) is
www.stalbans.gov.uk/festival.

The festival information office tel is 01727 844222 and booking office tel.
01727 844488

For the US contingent, St Albans is about 20 minutes on the train from
London and is an old market town with a Cathedral, with ruins from its
Roman predecessor, Verulanium. Well worth visit even without the festival

David


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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:28:20 -0700
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers

Overheard after the concert. First stranger to second stranger:
"It's called a hubbywoof."

Overheard while making separate piles of coins on top of the vielle keybox
(to divide amongst musicians after busking). First stranger to second
stranger:
"Oh look Trevor, a wooden cash register."

Juan Wijngaard



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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:54:15 EDT
From: Jlaub357 _at_ aol.com
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

   Well, I wish I had one!  But I'm waiting patiently for mine to be built . 
. .     :)
Judy

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:05:23 -0700
From: Rachael Kenoyer <rachaelk _at_ aa.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...


>    Well, I wish I had one!  But I'm waiting patiently for
> mine to be built .
> . .     :)

	So am I, Judy.  But someday soon, we'll both be proud owners!

	This is as good a time as any to finally de-lurk and introduce myself.
My name (as you can plainly see) is Rachael Kenoyer, and I live in
Seattle, Washington.  I have been fascinated by the hurdy-gurdy for over
fifteen years  The first time I laid eyes on a HG was in the early
eighties, at a small Renaissance festival. This very helpful gentleman
had a Bosch reproduction gurdy, and after listening for a few minutes, I
was *completely* hooked. I spent the rest of my time that day asking him
questions, listening to/drooling over the instrument, and generally
committing the sin of covetousness. I determined that afternoon that,
SOMEDAY, I'd have one of my own.  Fast forward to a few months ago, when
I put in my order with Alden and Cali---thanks, you two!

	In the meantime, I've fed my addiction to this lovely instrument by
collecting various recordings---only twenty-six as of now.  My favorite
HG recordings are Valentin Clastrier's _Great Masters of the
Hurdy-Gurdy_ , Adaro's _Stella Splendens_, and anything by Garmarna,
Blowzabella, or Hedningarna.  I must admit, the idea of running a hurdy
gurdy through effects makes me shiver with antici.... <laugh>  Is it
necessary to mention that I've ordered an electro-acoustic model? ;-)

	Thanks again, Alden and Cali---I'll no doubt see you (and meet many
others) at Folklife!

	~~Rachael

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:10:21 EDT
From: JPeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: HG: HGs at Folklife Festival?

Hello to Pacific Northwest gurdists!

Who is going to be there? Who is performing, and when and where?

Telynor will be in the Ranier Roon (and on KBCS radio) Monday at 1:40 pm.

The Over the Water gang will be doing a French dance Saturday at 3:30 in the 
Flag Pavilion West.

I assume there will be an ongoing jam session somewhere in the Alki 
Room/Coliseum area.

Anything else??

John Peekstok
http://members.aol.com/telynor/

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:43:05 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Folklife Festival


John said: 

>The Over the Water gang will be doing a French dance Saturday at 3:30 in the 
>Flag Pavilion West.

This should be tons of fun - each year the dancing crowd and band get
bigger.  

>I assume there will be an ongoing jam session somewhere in the Alki 
>Room/Coliseum area.

There certainly should be!  We try to be off the beaten track enough to
avoid creating congestion, but close enough to be easily found.  As John
said, we're usually somewhere north of the Arena, near the kid's fountain.
If you can't find us, try calling us on the cellular phone (yes, a
hopelessly yuppie toy, but invaluable in situations like this).  The number
is 360-509-0706.  Cali and I tend to arrive a little later in the day, like
between 10 and noon, so before that we won't know where the rest of the
group is either.  

If you're coming to play, bringing your own seating is a plus, though
chairs are also available.   

Alden 

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:44:30 GMT
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Favorite comments from strangers


>Occasionally someone will surprise me with a really off-the-wall guess
>about what it is.

15 years ago I played hurdy-gurdy in a famous folkclub in Rome, called 
FolkStudio (Bob Dylan played there when he was seventeen...) and during my 
performance, people asked me to "explain" the instrument.
So I did a 10 minutes "lecture" about HG features, then at the end of the 
concert an old lady told me:

- thank you for the music and for the "explanation"...just a 
question...where did you take the air to inflate it? -


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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:45:18 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: Folklife Festival

> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Hurdy-Gurdy Mailing List

> http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com


This link, shes a not a  working.

r.t.

> 


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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:05:15 +0200
From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr>
Subject: HG: Saint Chartier 2000

Hi,

A bilingual site for St Chartier :

http://www.saintchartier.com/

Dominique


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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:21:39 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: Folklife Festival


RT said: 

>> http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com
>
>This link, shes a not a  working.

Try it now - the server has been up and down the last few days. ;-( 
It works for me, right now.  If it still doesn't work for you, please email
me at hg-admin _at_ hurdygurdy.com.  Thanks!

See you Thursday, RT!  Your peg and tangents are almost done.

Alden the listmaster. 

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:29:24 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Howdy,

I've posted a few times, but I realized that I probably had not
properly introduced myself (and I do want to be polite).

My name is Arle Lommel. I play Hungarian tekerõ (I have a standard
guitar-bodied model in A) and am hoping in the next few months to
acquire a bass tekerõ (one octave lower). Although I am impressed by
the French instruments I come to the HG from an interest in Hungarian
music and so am interested primarily in that variation.) Besides
which they're cheaper...

I don't suppose anyone else on this list is in Utah (where I
currently reside)? How about Alaska (where I'm from)?

-Arle


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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:00:40 -0700
From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net
Subject: Re: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Hi Arle,

I have lived in both Utah and Alaska in the past, but my home now is in
Washington State.  I have been on the list since the start but mostly just
read rather than post much.  I'm one of the Over the Water bunch working on
the Festival.  I came to the hurdy gurdy through early music.

I hope to meet you some time since you are so close - western US is close
compared to most on the list.  :-)

Joanne


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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:18:26 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: Saint Chartier 2000

They have finally come into the cyber age.

The best part is the archive listing the performers, luthiers and the
concour winners.

It is very interesting to see who won prizes in the concour each year.
r.t.

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:27:03 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: Where are they now?

Where are they now?

La Sabotee Sancerroise.

I noticed in the St. Chartier web page that this group performed at St.
Chartier many years ago.

They were a "folkloric" group and made 2 records distributed on Arion.
Many folkloric groups have made records and many are not really that well
produced or recorded.
This group is an exception. The group was under the direction of D'andre
Dubois.

I have Volume 2 and I am trying to find anyone that has Volume 1.


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:23:31 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com>
To: <hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: HG: Fw: new member


> Dear Rose,
> There certainly are some female hurdy gurdy players out here! 
> I, too, will be at St. Chartier this summer. Maybe we should make a 
> plan to meet each other?
> 
> Chris Wright in Seattle, WA, USA
> 
Hi Chris

Definitely!  See you there!  Let's arrange nearer the time ...
Rose


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:29:28 -0700
From: Dominic A White <ick _at_ awenet.com>
Subject: HG: Hurdy Gurdys at Folklife

Hello all,

I have been just returned to beautiful Ballard from a month long sojurn to
New England, sans Hurdy Gurdy unfortunately, and am trying to get back in
the loop.

Does anyone know what days hurdy gurdys will be being played at Folk Life
this weekend?

Dominic


Dominic A. White   www.awenet.com/~ick
MIDNIGHT PASS      www.midnight-pass.com


"I never had a sore arm."

---Cy Young.
1904: 44 consecutive scoreless innings
Major League records: 511 wins, 815 starts, and 749 complete games.
Hall of Fame in 1937.

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:50:07 -0700
From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net
Subject: HG: Re: Hurdy Gurdys at Folklife

Saturday, Sunday and Monday pretty much all day.  There may be some showing
up on Friday, but that is a much quieter day.  We are usually in the area
north of the Key Arena, not too far from the Musical Instrument Emporium.
We won't know the location for sure until we get there.  There are usually a
few chairs to be scrounged, but not always enough for everyone, so bringing
your own folding chair or stool can be a good thing.

Joanne

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:04:40 -0700
From: Cynthia A. Wright <cwright _at_ smartt.com>
Subject: HG: peg problems

Greetings all,

I've a peg problem that I'm hoping someone can help me with.

I'm new to HG ownership, only having gotten my much loved HG in Janurary 
(thanks Theo ;-)
The instrument is a lute-back about 17 years old.
Within the last month or so, I've been having problems with my pegs NOT 
staying in (they are the traditional tapered kind).
While I've been able to solve the problem with most of them with the 
judicious use of a bit of chalk, I've one that will not stay in no matter 
how much chalk (or pressure) is applied.
I've taken it out, and gently removed any soap or peg dope that may have 
been on it, with ultra fine steel wool, and reapplied the chalk, but it 
still won't keep its hold.

Any ideas/solutions?

Thanks in advance.
(Hope to meet everyone at the "Over the Water HG Festival" outside of 
Seattle in September.
A "must attend".)

Cynthia Wright
Vancouver, BC,
Canada.

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:29:35 +0100
From: Jon H <jon _at_ carlton.powernet.co.uk>
Subject: HG: New HG web site

Hi all,

I have just finished and uploaded my HG web site and would be interested in
any feebdack, good or bad!

it is at "welcome.to/jukes"

Cheers - Jon Hall

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:13:10 -0700
From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: peg problems

Sounds as though the hole needs rereaming and a new peg fitting to match,
but check first that there are no splits in the wood of the peg-box around
the peg.  If there are, they need fixing first.  The standard reamer
provides a  taper that with light pressure should be enough for the peg to
hold , and the paste/dope is only to permit it to turn evenly; if excessive
pressure is needed, then it will become even worse and something else will
break.

_______________________________________________

Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:30:50 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: peg problems


Cynthia wrote:

>I've a peg problem that I'm hoping someone can help me with.
>
>I'm new to HG ownership, only having gotten my much loved HG in Janurary 
>(thanks Theo ;-)

I expect that Theo is about to post some suggestions.

>The instrument is a lute-back about 17 years old.
>Within the last month or so, I've been having problems with my pegs NOT 
>staying in (they are the traditional tapered kind).

We worked on this instrument for Theo a few years ago.  One of the things
we did was bush the peg holes: put new wood in the peg holes to help the
pegs hold better.  

The taper on the pegs is quite a bit higher than usual, so they have more
of a tendency to slip out, as you've noticed ;-( 

It's possible that the bushing in that hole is slipping against the other
wood of the peghead.  I hope not, and it's less likely, but it's a
possibility.  

>While I've been able to solve the problem with most of them with the 
>judicious use of a bit of chalk, I've one that will not stay in no matter 
>how much chalk (or pressure) is applied.

One trick that you can use to perhaps persuade it to behave is to wind the
string on so that the coil of the string rides up on the peg and pulls it
down.  This is a little hard to explain in words, but I'll try. 

As we look at it from the side, the string can either approach the peg
straight on (square to the center line of the peg), pointing toward the top
of the peg, or pointing toward the bottom.  

If it's pointing toward the bottom, the pressure of the string against the
windings above will push the peg upwards, pushing it out of the tapered
hole.  

If it's pointing toward the top with windings of string below it supporting
it, the pressure of the string against those windings will pull the peg
down.  This can sometimes make the difference between whether the peg holds
or not.  This means that you need nice neat winding of the string around
the peg, progressing up the peg.  You need enough that the string is
supported, but not so much that it forms double layers of windings.  Some
judicious adjustment may be in order.  You're working at a complicated task
in a confined space, so patience is the order of the day.  When this is all
done, it still may not help, but having it the other way will certainly
make your task more difficult. 

If it's pointing toward the center, its force on the peg is neutral at that
moment, but it will fall into one of these other two positions pretty soon. 

>I've taken it out, and gently removed any soap or peg dope that may have 
>been on it, with ultra fine steel wool, and reapplied the chalk, but it 
>still won't keep its hold.

These are the right things to try first.  A light (400 or 600) sandpaper is
fine too. 

The other thing to try is pushing down on the tourne-a-gauche as you're
turning it.  This keeps the peg jammed into the hole.  Sometimes this helps.  

The ultimate solution is to replace the existing pegs with pegs that have
less taper, or with mechanical tuners.  

>Thanks in advance.
>(Hope to meet everyone at the "Over the Water HG Festival" outside of 
>Seattle in September.
>A "must attend".)

We're looking forward to seeing you there, if not before.  

Alden 

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:39:28 +0100
From: Steven Lane <bourgogne _at_ bourgogne.free-online.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Hi Frank. I am based in Teesside and missed the Fez Noz last year. Do you
have a contact numebr for tickets and more details please.

Thanks - Steve Lane

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 4:38 PM
Subject: HG: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...


> Hi list
> >  Any good concerts coming
> >up?
>
> Yes there sure is.  We have Nigel Eaton and Cliff Stapleton playing at
> Pied a Terre here in Norwich UK.
>
> Tuesday 20 June 2000. 8.00 pm at the Frazer Hall, Norwich Labour Club,
> Bethel Street, Norwich.
>
> If anyone wants directions get back to me or call me on the number
> below.
>
> There's also Thoresby Park Fest Noz, in Nottinghamshire, on the weekend
> of 9th June.  Some really good bands are playing, including The New
> Cliff Stapleton Band on Saturday 10th.  My band Xim are playing on
> Friday night 9th June (gulp).
>
> Frank
> Frank Vickers
> Norwich, UK
>         tel +44 (0)1603 505910
>         fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
> http://www.xim.org.uk

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:04:56 EDT
From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re:  HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Hello out there...
There appear to be lots of Hurdy Gurdy things happening in the U.K., France 
and around the Northwest United States area, but I'm in Boston, 
Massachusetts, U.S.A. Are there any concerts or groups around this area? 
Grace and her lonely hurdy-gurdy in Boston.

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:25 EDT
From: Dfiddler _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: HG: New HG web site

What a delight to see your gurdy in process! I think you've done a splendid 
job with the photos and the journal - thank you. 
Marjy Fiddler

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:56:59 -0400
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca>
Subject: HG: Boston area

Hi Grace ,

The principal HG gathering in Boston is the NEFFA (New England Folk
Festival )
http://www.neffa.org/~neffa/  , the number of HG players increase each
year ( 8 last spring )

In Vermont  there is the " Fête de la Vielle "
http://prydein.com/vielle/vielle.html
and the Northumbrian pipers convention,   in North Hero, by the end of
August.

There should be a few HG players in Québec city , for the ' Fêtes de la
Nouvelle-France"
this summer , but they will be professional musicians , hired for the
event .


Now I have a question : Is there such a thing as a maximum diametre for
a HG wheel ?
I am making large guitar shape HG in the style of the instruments used
in eastearn Brittany . The sound box could accept a 9 " wheel ( with
some easthetic prejudice <g>)
Is 8 1/2" to big ?


Henry


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:22:15 -0700
From: R. Hall <olniteowl _at_ harbornet.com>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Try Nan Donald. E - mail- gaita _at_ mediaone.net  Nan has a nice luteback and a
trio that plays French music in Boston. R. Hall
----------
>From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com
>Subject: Re:  HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...
>Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 5:04 PM
>

>Hello out there...
>There appear to be lots of Hurdy Gurdy things happening in the U.K., France 
>and around the Northwest United States area, but I'm in Boston, 
>Massachusetts, U.S.A. Are there any concerts or groups around this area? 
>Grace and her lonely hurdy-gurdy in Boston.

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:05:21 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Hello

>Hi Frank. I am based in Teesside and missed the Fez Noz last year. Do you
>have a contact numebr for tickets and more details please.
>
>Thanks - Steve Lane
>

There's a web site at
www.notscc.giv.uk/arts
the phone number is 0116 233 3111

ta ta
Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
        tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
        fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:42:29 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: HG:Now that the list is back...

Oops typo!

>There's a web site at
>www.notscc.giv.uk/arts

Should be www.notscc.gov.uk/arts

sorry
Frsnk !


Frank Vickers
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:43:06 +0100
From: Jon H <jon _at_ carlton.powernet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HG: New HG web site

HI Marjy,

>What a delight to see your gurdy in process! I think you've done a splendid 
>job with the photos and the journal - thank you. 

Thank you for the kind words. I am glad you enjoyed the site. Seeing my
gurdy being built was a wonderful thing, and I wanted to share my
excitement with everybody else!

Regards - Jon Hall

_______________________________________________

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:08:48 -0400
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: HG: Fêtes de la Nouvelle-France

At 08:56 PM 5/25/00 -0400, Henry wrote:

>There should be a few HG players in Québec city , for the ' Fêtes de la
>Nouvelle-France" >this summer , but they will be professional musicians,
hired for the >event.

Thanks for the info Henry -- do you know who this will at Quebec city this
year?  (Or does anybody?)

cath

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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:29:04 +0200
From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl>
Subject: HG: intoduction


Hello all the people on the "HG-list"
I'm new on the list and I understand that I have to
give a short introduction of myself and my interest in hurdy gurdy's;
well,
here it is:

My name is Cor Westbroek, I'm from the Netherlands and I'm interested in
hurdy gurdy's and it's music since about twenty years.
About 15 years ago I started to play. Over the years I have been doing
"stages" with the dutch "hurdy gurdy and bagpipes foundation"
http://www.antenna.nl. In 1989 I finished my  self- made lute-back hurdy
gurdy, which I still play. I also play on a "Boudet" and on a "Pajot
Fils".
My favourite music is the french "bourbonnais music" and I play that kind
of
music in a band called "Quatre-L", together with pipe-maker and piper
Frans Hattink (you can find his website at the site of "Universe of
bagpipes"< http://www.hotpipes.com  >) and occasional other musicians.
I hope to receive many interesting e-mails from the list and maybe I can
be of some help to anyone concerning hurdy gurdy's.
 
Cor Westbroek.


Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:46:40 +0100
From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Drawings

Hi all
Well, after a few months of enlightening hacking and chopping away at this
and that, I now have a complete, and playable, Bosch HG. Many thanks again
to those who helped with advice and pointed me in the right direction when
needed, particularly Brian who helped in the final stages with basics such
as string alignment and cottoning the strings. Now all I've got to do is
learn how to play the thing!
Although I now really need to turn my attention to re-building my kitchen,
I am already thinking about another project, another gurdy - a bigger and
better gurdy!
I have always thought the Henry III model an attractive instrument,
although I can be persuaded by a nice guitar bodied gurdy. 
So, the question is, where should I look for drawings for (preferably) a
Henry III model HG? 
Marcello's drawings of the Bosch were superb, and building from them was a
delight; does anyone produce anything of remotely the same quality?
I am aware of the EMS plans for their gurdy kit, but that instrument has
come in for some criticism, also Michael Muskett has drawings which are
described as having 'a minimal amount of detail', which might leave me
scratching about for accurate and sound detail. I have also looked briefly
at Pascal Cranga's web site, which is unfortunately wholly in French.
As usual, your (collective) advice is gratefully sought, and received.
Nick

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:22:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HG: intoduction

Welcome, Cor

I'm a little slow with Nederlander and Flemish ;-) but
I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions once I've had
time to digest the material.

I was hoping for some .abc's of Netherlands folk
tunes. Could you give me a hint?

Later

Roy T. 

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: HG: low G trompette


Several people have asked us in person about the low G trompette (g
instead of g') that we were experimenting with in the last year or so. 

What we were using was a gimped string from Dan Larson, Gamut Musical
Strings.  This is a gut string which has one or more strands of wire wound
into the string when it's made.  This makes it much more dense than a gut
string (metal being much more dense than gut) but not as dense as an
overspun string, the wirewound strings typically used on the bourdons. 

These strings are measured in "gut equivalents": the diameter of the
string might be 0.85 mm, but it is equivalent to a 1.40 mm string in
weight per unit length, so it's sold as a 1.40 mm equivalent.  If you were
to buy a 1.40 mm gut, you'd find it to be very thick and "plunky", not the
sort of thing that works well as a trompette string which needs to be
flexible.  

We were carrying some of these strings before we reduced our string
business to just Savarez and our personal brand Althea Gut.  Our results
with them were mixed - sometimes they were great, sounded good and were
durable.  Sometimes they didn't last very long.  

The best string we found for the low g trompette was a G145, a gimped
string equivalent to 1.45 mm.  These are available from Dan Larson, Gamut
Musical Strings, www.daniellarson.com/, 1-888-724-8099.  Your mileage may
vary.  

Has anyone else tried different strings for different trompette tunings?     

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html    
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."


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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:56:44 EDT
From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: HG: Re: low G trompette

In a message dated 5/30/00 10:45:56 AM, darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu writes:

>...our personal brand Althea Gut

If I were Althea (the Hackmanns' cat), I would take strong exception to that 
name!

I've been using a synthetic string tuned to C for my trompette for years, and 
I seem to be able to tune it down to a G to produce a nice low buzz. It's not 
very responsive on fast tunes, but works ok for slow to medium speed stuff.

Anna Peekstok

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette


On Tue, 30 May 2000 APeekstok _at_ aol.com wrote:

> >...our personal brand Althea Gut
> 
> If I were Althea (the Hackmanns' cat), I would take strong exception to that 
> name!

There's some historical precedent for the name.  For several years we sold
Purr'll Gut, a name we inherited from Donna Curry.  She had named it after
her cat, Burrwell, which is pronounced Burr'll, as in Burl and Ives.  We
sold the name "Purr'll Gut" to Bob Thornberg when we sold the string
business, so we need a new name for the strings.  Althea was, of course,
rubbing up against my leg as I entered the pricelist... 

If anyone can think of a good name for our strings, we're open to
suggestions.  ;-)  Puns, gentle or otherwise, get highest
consideration. 

Just to make it clear, there is no cat gut in gut strings.  They are made
from sheep gut.  
 
> I've been using a synthetic string tuned to C for my trompette for years, and 
> I seem to be able to tune it down to a G to produce a nice low buzz. It's not 
> very responsive on fast tunes, but works ok for slow to medium speed stuff.

Is that a nylon string, or PVF?  You would think I would remember these
things.

Alden 

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:47:12 -0400
From: jriosa _at_ ca.ibm.com

Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette


>If anyone can think of a good name for our strings, we're open to
>suggestions.  ;-)  Puns, gentle or otherwise, get highest
>consideration.
>
>Just to make it clear, there is no cat gut in gut strings.  They are made
>from sheep gut.

So in that case Alden, maybe you could call it Ovisform?

Jim Riosa
IT Specialist, Logic Programming
phone (905)-316-4820, pager (416)-608-3707
jriosa _at_ ca.ibm.com

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:57:25 EDT
From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette

In a message dated 5/30/00 11:43:33 AM, darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu writes:

>Is that a nylon string, or PVF?

I'm afraid I don't remember, either. Could you tell by looking?
								
-----
Anna Peekstok


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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette

Anna said: 

> 
> >Is that a nylon string, or PVF?
> 
> I'm afraid I don't remember, either. Could you tell by looking?

Just by looking, no - PVF and nylon look identical.  Their densities are
significantly different, so measuring with a pair of calipers should
reveal (by logic) which one it is.  PVF strings are much thinner than
their nylon equivalents.   

Alden 


      

			
 

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