Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - June 2000Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer. The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:41:56 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Listmaster Vacation Dear HG list, I'll be elsewhere for a few days, out of touch with the list. See you all when we get back. If there are any problems (hope not!) I'll attend to them ASAP when I return. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:41 +0000 From: jenlord <jenlord _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: HG: greetings all 6/12/00 Greetings all! I understand it is the custom of the list to introduce oneself once subscribed, therefore... I have no knowledge of the hurdy gurdy, but became intrigued by the sound on an old Musical Heritage Society record of classical HG music. I stumbled upon a used instrument at my local instrument shop (John Pederson's "Amazing Grace" in San Anselmo, CA). It is a 3 string, built by Philippe Jannsen, who, legend has it, was here from Belgium to study Classical Indian Music at the Ali Akbar Khan School, and who was building these to support himself while here.It was very reasonably priced, partly because John had not been able to get it going. Nor have I, yet, but feel I am closing in, with help from Olympus. As an Uilleann piper, I am intrigued by the combo of melody, drone and rhythm possible, and what effect it might have on the tonality of a typical Irish session. As an alto recorder player fond of early baroque, I am looking forward to exploring some of the classical repetoire. And as a dancer, I look forward to learning more about French traditional dance music and that repetoire, of which I know nothing. I am grateful for this list, and look forward to learning more about this instrument. I admit to a sense of foreboding, however. The uillean pipes are one of the most cantankerous and fussy damn insruments ever conceived. John, from whom I bought my HG, is an expert, patient builder and player of Uilleann pipes. If HE threw up his hands, what have I got myself in for? Casey Alan Clapp _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:22:33 +0100 From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk> Subject: HG: EMS Henry III hi all This is aimed principally at the UK contingent here; does anyone have a copy of the Early Music Shop Henry III HG kit drawings? I do not wish to make an instrument from these drawings as no-one so far has had a particularly good word to say about it [the HG], but I would like to borrow a set if someone out there could be kind enough, purely for my own self-edification. Nick Nourse Chippenham, UK _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:53:40 +0200 From: Xavier AIME <XAIME _at_ wanadoo.fr> Subject: HG: Georges de la Tour Hi All, Everyone know the "vielleur" of the French painter George de la Tour. In fact, there are three pictures representing a player. Did somebody study more precisly the hurdy-gurdies represented? Thank you in advance. Xavier, Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:56:05 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: HG: Re: greetings all Congratulations on finding a hurdy gurdy, Casey. My first hurdy gurdy was a not-so-good one that took a bit of work to get playing. It did give me something to play and learn on while Alden & Cali were building my gorgeous volksgurdy, though, so I'm glad it found it's way into my life and glad it now belongs to someone else. :-) Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:10:45 -0600 From: Roger Sperline <sperline _at_ theriver.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette Dear HG newsgroup: I am a chemist who has used a lot of tubing made of various polymers, and in my experience, one can sometimes identify PVF by color. PVF has a slight blue-ish cast when compared with nylon, and feels slicker ( almost greasy) when polished to the same finish. ------------ Roger Sperline, Tucson AZ. _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:03:02 GMT From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: Re: HG: EMS Henry III Hi Nick I made a "Henry III" some years ago and I should have the drawings somewhere in my garage. Now I'm moving from a house to another, so it'll be possible to find them..... but please, be patient! :o) maybe these drawings are hidden behind 14 years "vintage" garbage... ciao Marcello _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:11:12 GMT From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: Re: HG: Georges de la Tour Hi Xavier >Everyone know the "vielleur" of the French painter George de la Tour. In >fact, there are three pictures representing a player. Actually they're more than three (maybe not by "de la Tour" but by "de la Tour workshop") and in my opinion the most interesting (for a gurdy maker of course) is the so called "beggar's brawl" in Paul Getty Museum >Did somebody study more precisly the hurdy-gurdies represented? I did, but I didn't make any drawings or gurdies then. ciao Marcello _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:28:09 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette Roger said: >I am a chemist who has used a lot of tubing made of various polymers, and in >my experience, one can sometimes identify PVF by color. PVF has a slight >blue-ish cast when compared with nylon, and feels slicker ( almost greasy) >when polished to the same finish. Maybe that explains why I liked it even less than nylon for the trompette - it seemed to be "more slippery" and harder to cotton. YMMV. Am I correct that PVF stands for PolyVinyl Fluoride? I guessed as much from the name shown in the Pyramid catalog, which gives it in German. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:39:14 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: greetings all Casey said: > I am grateful for this list, and look forward to learning >more about this instrument. I admit to a sense of >foreboding, however. The uillean pipes are one of the most >cantankerous and fussy damn insruments ever conceived. John, >from whom I bought my HG, is an expert, patient builder and >player of Uilleann pipes. If HE threw up his hands, what >have I got myself in for? It's not that bad, really ;-) ;-) I'd rather deal with a HG than those bagpipes and their *# _at_ &! reeds and all their little squeeks and squeals and squalks ;-) ;-) ;-) (Really, I like bagpipes, and I've even considered playing since Trevor from New Zealand introduced me to them. Oh, to have another life where all I need to do is play music...) But seriously - it's not easy to learn the HG in a vacuum. You think that the horrible noise is something you're doing, and you play it for an experienced player, and they'll say "oh, you need to shim your chanter string." or "oh, you need to [whatever]". It's really good to take the instrument (and yourself) to visit someone who knows about the instrument. Hope we see you in September! Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:44:56 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: EMS Henry III Dear Nick, >hi all >This is aimed principally at the UK contingent here; does anyone have a >copy of the Early Music Shop Henry III HG kit drawings? I do not wish to >make an instrument from these drawings as no-one so far has had a >particularly good word to say about it [the HG], but I would like to borrow >a set if someone out there could be kind enough, purely for my own >self-edification. In the land of kits, I'd say that the EMS is the best of a bad lot, but we've never seen the really high-end kits. I didn't know, for some reason, that EMS also sold plans for this instrument. Please let me know details when you know the story. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:48:33 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Georges de la Tour Xavier, Have you seen the museum catalog from the George de la Tour show from a few years ago? It's listed in the bibliography. I had it off the shelf a few months ago, and there's quite a bit of HG information in it, and very nice photos of many of his paintings. I'll have another look at it in the next few days. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:58:52 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Website Care and Feeding Dear HG list community, I'm realizing that I simply don't have the time to keep up with most of the updates I'd like to be doing on the HG website, www.hurdygurdy.com. While there's a commercial aspect to the site (the OMI portion) much of the site is educational, and it's reached the point where just keeping up with it (much less expanding it) is a lot of work. Following the theory that many people keyboarding make light work, is there anyone out there who would be willing to help out? I can envision several ways of doing this which maintain the security of the site and give me editorial control, both of which are important to me. If you are interested, please email me off-list and I'll get in touch with you. Since there will likely be a group of you, I will probably create a separate list for HG Site Maintenance. Thank you for your help. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:19:21 EDT From: Roy Shrive <beerroybeer _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: Re: HG: EMS Henry III Hi All, Alden wrote: >I didn't know for some reason that EMS also sold plans for this instrument: EMS DOES NOT sell the plans for the Henry III. The Co. that manufactures the kits for them sell the plans. Anyone interested can get info at www.renwrks.com. I had a set of their original plans that I gave to Henry Boucher. I also have the NEW version which is really a nice set of plans. Be sure you are sitting down when they give you the price. ($115 US) It makes a very nice instrument (look's wise) but since I build only and don't play I can't tell you anymore . Hope this helps anyone interested. Roy _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:48:14 -0700 From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: HG: Re: greetings Casey Alan Clapp Welcome to the group. Could we, without boring the rest of the hg group, privately exchange some notes on your pipes? One of the jobs I have had on the back burner for years is to do something with the Wilbert Garvin drawings but I have a few bits of them yet to understand. best wishes George Swallow george.swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:08:28 -0800 From: Debbie Dawson <goodthym _at_ mcn.org> Subject: Re: HG: greetings all >6/12/00 >'Dear Jenlord; Welcome to the club! _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:39:38 +0100 From: graham <graham _at_ altongate.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: HG: EMS Henry III Hi folks, I am Graham Whyte, I live with my partner Polly in Hampshire England I have a EMS Henry III, I built it in 1991, couldn't get it to play and left it for several years. In 1996 I got interested in Tudor re-enactment thanks to meeting Polly and eventually sorted the HG out with considerable help and a decent set of strings from Cali Hackmann. It plays well and is much loved and used. We play for Tudor dancing (HG & Drake drum) and also as wandering players, mostly at Kentwell Hall (a lovely, moated Tudor mansion www.kentwell.co.uk) in Suffolk England but also for English Heritage and The National Trust. There are several other examples of EMS Henry III HGs used by friends at Kentwell. They all play well but mine is louder than the others (enough to stand up to English bagpipes, shawms and other raucous early instruments). I have more info if anyone is interested. Graham Whyte _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:57:34 -0400 From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net> Subject: Re: HG: EMS Henry III Hi Graham, I hope this isn't too tangential for this list, but what exactly is a Drake Drum, and what's its provenance? (I know Drake's asleep in his hammock and a thousand miles away - H. Newbolt - or is that a different Drake?) Thanks, John Roberts _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:34:06 -0400 From: David Smith <dtsmith _at_ wwnet.net> Subject: HG: Hurdy Gurdy Presentation Hello Everyone, I would like to inform you of an event which will take place on July 25 in the Detroit area, Michigan, USA. I will be giving a lecture/performance titled "The Hurdy Gurdy: History and Performance". If you or anyone you know lives in the Detroit area, please let them know about this event. I don't claim to be an expert musician nor am I a history scholar. But, I have been playing HG for five years, I believe my instrument sounds good and I have collected a lot of information from books and the internet about the Hurdy Gurdy. Here is a website URL which will tell you all about it: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=380161&a=6687359 Thanks, David Smith dtsmith _at_ wwnet.net _______________________________________________ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:26:17 -0700 From: Deborah L. White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hello everyone, I'm new to this list, and I wanted to inquire about taking up the hurdy-gurdy. I'm already a musician (guitar, cittern, and various plucked string instruments), but I realize that the hurdy-gurdy will require new technique from me. How difficult it is to take up, coming from a plucked string background? What is the most difficult part -- fingering the keyboard with the left hand, or working the wheel with the right? (I hope that I'm not fracturing the terminology too much here.) Also, what are the main idiosyncracies of the instrument? Is it awfully temperamental? By the way, my interest lies primarily with Medieval French music, as well as the Cantigas. Thank you, Deborah -------------------- Distant Oaks - Celtic Music and Dance http://www.distantoaks.com _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:11:22 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: To David Smith, Hi David, This should be a very interesting event , I wish I could be there. We have no evidence yet but it is possible that the HG was played in your area around 1630 by a young "Jésuite" missionary . In those days it was called " Le Détroit" . Where did you find the picture used on your poster ? Henry Boucher St Lambert, Québec _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Deborah L. White wrote: > I'm new to this list, and I wanted to inquire about taking up the > hurdy-gurdy. I'm already a musician (guitar, cittern, and various plucked > string instruments), but I realize that the hurdy-gurdy will require new > technique from me. How difficult it is to take up, coming from a plucked > string background? I don't think it's particularly difficult. I came from a plucked-string background (acoustic guitar, electric guitar, bass, bouzouki), so I was used to making different but coordinated motions with my left and right hands. > What is the most difficult part -- fingering the keyboard > with the left hand, or working the wheel with the right? It depends somewhat on how you learn. Most people start by learning melodies with the left hand and simply turning the handle with the right. After the initial effort of learning to put the right hand on "auto-pilot", the left hand is the one demanding attention: you need to learn fingering patterns and appropriate key pressure. Later I learned the coup with the right hand. The real challenge for me has been (and continues to be) integrating what I know I can do with my right hand with what I know I can do with my left, without losing track of either. I have heard that Maxou's book is good in this regard, but haven't had a chance to explore this yet. So the answer to your question is "both". ;-) > (I hope that I'm > not fracturing the terminology too much here.) Not in the least. >Also, what are the main > idiosyncracies of the instrument? Is it awfully temperamental? Tuning and adjustment are the big issues. These just take time to learn. It's really helpful to have a good instrument that CAN be adjusted to sound good, or you'll spend a lot of time being frustrated thinking that you're doing something wrong when it's really not your fault. It's also invaluable to get to know other HG players who can help you troubleshoot - it's hard enough to learn to maintain the instrument without doing it in a vacuum. With that said, it's really not all that bad. With determination, a decent instrument and a copy of Destrem and Heidemanns' book, you'll do fine. Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html "Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae." _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:54:57 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: HG: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hi Deborah, I came to plucked strings (lute and harp) from a woodwind background, and then to hurdy gurdy, so I've had a bit of experience learning new instrumental techniques. In some ways hurdy gurdy was easier to learn than some of the others. For me I think the hardest part was learning the right hand coup. You wouldn't use the dog for much medieval music (most of Chansonnier Cange, for example) but is great fun and fits well with many of the Cantigas so it is a good skill to have. If you get a good hurdy gurdy then keeping it adjusted is not much of a problem. One of mine is a Minstrel from Olympic that I can play outdoors at Ren Fairs for hours without more than an occasional fine tuning and a little rosin. It's a happy little gurdy that is very user friendly. My Volksgurdy requires a bit more fussing with, but honestly I worry more about my reed when I play the shawm than I ever do about my gurdy. I don't think you'd have any problem learning to play hurdy gurdy. It's easier if you have somebody around who can show you how it's done (shorten that learning curve) but there are books and videos out there if that's all you can get. Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:00:55 +0100 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: HG: Fw: MAXOU Alden (and everyone) I strongly recommend Maxou's book which I have recently acquired. However, it's definitely not for beginners, as it starts with the coup de quatre and is primarily aimed at the D tuned hg, although mine is the CG tuning and I can use it as he has included tunes and exercises in G. It is available in English with accompanying cassette, from AMTA email vpc _at_ amta.com.fr or from AMTA - Place Eugene Rouher, BP 169 63204 RIOM Cedex France Or at Saint-Chartier, of course! Rose Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:53:41 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hi Joanne, > I don't think you'd have any problem learning to play hurdy gurdy. It's > easier if you have somebody around who can show you how it's done (shorten > that learning curve) but there are books and videos out there if > that's all > you can get. Thank you so much for all of the information! Katie mentioned the fact that you are both located in WA, as is Olympic Musical Instruments. My Celtic band will be touring in the Pacific Northwest in September, which I believe is when you'll be having your Hurdy Gurdy Festival. We'll be in the Sea-Tac area (as well as in Kelso and, possibly, Port Angeles), performing at several venues between Sept. 9 and Sept. 16. I wonder if I could make it to one of the events connected to the Festival? It would be great to meet you and to see your various instruments. Also, you're certainly invited to come and hear us perform. Our schedule is listed on our Web site, under "Performance Schedule" (and will be updated as we add gigs). We won't have a hurdy gurdy with us, but we'll have the Scottish smallpipes -- so there will be plenty of good droning! :-) Thanks again, Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:04:33 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: RE: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hello Alden, > Later I learned the coup with the right hand. The real challenge for me > has been (and continues to be) integrating what I know I can do with my > right hand with what I know I can do with my left, without losing track of > either. I have heard that Maxou's book is good in this regard, but > haven't had a chance to explore this yet. Several people have mentioned "the coup". It's an unknown term to me. What does it mean? > With that said, it's really not all that bad. With determination, a > decent instrument and a copy of Destrem and Heidemanns' book, you'll do > fine. Thank you for the information and encouragement. I hope that I can see some of your instruments when I'm up your way in the fall. I have one other question. I work with a piper (Scottish smallpipes and Border pipes), and the pipes are pitched to play an A Mixolydian scale of nine notes (G natural below middle C to A above middle C). The drones are pitched A-E-A. My understanding is that the hurdy gurdy is generally played in G and D (if I do get one, it would need to be chromatic). Anyway, is the tuning fairly variable, as I would want to do duets with the pipes? Thank you again, Deborah ---------------------------- Distant Oaks - Celtic Music and Dance http://www.distantoaks.com _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:47:33 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: HG: Re: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy September 16 is the night Cliff Stapleton will be playing a solo concert at Dusty Strings in Seattle. Sept 8th (I think) we'll be starting our season of French Dances at the Ballard Community Center, also in Seattle. You're welcome to dance or to play with us (we have music for those who don't know the tunes.) The Festival itself is Sept 19-24, and we are planning Marcello Bono's solo concert for Oct 1. I'll have to check your schedule for SeaTac. That is really close to home for me. Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:38:15 -0300 From: kaiser <kmkaiser _at_ usp.br> Subject: HG: (no subject) Hi. My name is Marcos Kaiser Mori, 26. Please forgive my english... I'm a music student at Universidade de Sao Paulo, in Brazil. My research is about instrument making and medieval music. Last year I bought a Tekerölant, or hurdy-gurdy in Hungary, where I was studing and started to learn. My instrument is a very different one, four-stringed and with a lot of problems. The nut is glued, the bridge is enourmous, etc, but the sound is potent. I've been performing some Cantigas de amigo from various sources, and now I would like to start making a baroque HG. I have drawings and measurements of a french model made by Jean Louvet, (or Louvet, le jeune) but would like to ask for some help. The bridge is missing. Should I try to create one? Do anyone know about this specific model? I thank you in advance. Marcos _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:19:33 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG: RE: Re: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Joanne, > September 16 is the night Cliff Stapleton will be playing a solo > concert at > Dusty Strings in Seattle. Sept 8th (I think) we'll be starting our season > of French Dances at the Ballard Community Center, also in Seattle. So far we only have an afternoon gig on Sept. 16 in Seattle. If we're free in the evening, the concert at Dusty Strings sounds great. Dumb question...is this a hurdy gurdy solo concert? > I'll have to check your schedule for SeaTac. That is really close to home > for me. I forgot to give you our Web address: http://www.distantoaks.com Thanks! Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:43:31 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: HG in New-France, The exact citation is in " Relations des Jesuite" , a collection of texts written by the Jesuit missionnaries and sent to the superior of the congregation as report of their activities in New-France . Page 268, written by Father Lejeune , year 1636 : ... and the Indians asked that in sign if friendship , they could dance to the sound of a hurdy-gurdy played by a young Frenchman. So far it is the only evidence of hurdy-gurdy playing in Nouvelle-France. In other texts it is impossible to know if the narrator means a " vielle" ( HG) or a " vièle" (fiddle) This event is related in a ( very) short sequence of the film " Black Robe" where Daniel Thonon plays .... a lute back ( that will be design in mid -18 centh. <g>) The HG in use at the time could have been the one visible on the George de la Tour paintings (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle/histoire/delat.html) or th HenryIII style. The HG on your poster ( with the equidistant keys <g>) is similar to one shown in the chapter about Russian HG players , in the book " Vielle a roue territoire infini" ( look in the Olympic w-site bibliography ) and BTW there are photos of people playing similar 3 strings instruments ( with equidistant keys .... wonder how it sounded ?) A similar instrument is in the Boston fine art museum , (#1977,7) it is said to have been made in Canada ... _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:06:20 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Louvet and Irish HG Marcus, do you mean the "buzzing bridge " is missing ? 18centh makers made instruments with or without it , as asked by the customer . One thing to check on those museum plans , is the string lenght , some of those18 centh . instruments much smaller than the folk style instruments made in Jenzat 1n the 19 centh. and that are the " standart" today. Have a look at those pictures from the " La Villette" music museum in Paris. http://servsim.cite-musique.fr/museedelamusique/photo.asp Write " vielle" as keyword. ( this w-site does not work with some Netscape browsers) Deborah , Alden and Cali can explain the " coup de poignet" in proper English <g> much better than I can. You could use an " Organistrum" style HG fitted with thinner strings and tuned in A. But I once saw the picture of an " Irish style HG " in a museum catalog , I will try to find the proper reference. _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:33:34 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG: RE: Louvet and Irish HG Henry, > But I once saw the picture of an " Irish style HG " in a museum catalog > , I will try to > find the proper reference. I would be very interested in hearing about an Irish style hurdy gurdy. Thank you, Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:29:28 GMT From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: Re: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hi Deborah, Hi hurdy-gurdy friends I was already a "musician"(?) (mandolin, cittern, concertina, hammered dulcimer etc.) when I started to play hurdy gurdies. As far as I'm concerned hurdy gurdy is just an instrument and the most difficult part is to make "music" with it. In order to try to make music with it I gave up the other instrument...:o)...but I'm not a "professional" player, I mean I can't play every day (sometimes I just play some hours before a concert, and I usually play no more than 5 or 6 concert per year...). Maybe the right hand asks for a "strange" work, expecially for a beginner, but it's just a work "different" than usual. All you really need is a good teacher in order to learn how to adjust and play your GOOD instrument (in the battle "bad gurdy VS good teacher the first is always the winner...). You can tune your gurdy in a different way, you just have to change the string's gauges properly. And now MY problem...Dear HG list friends as usual in the summer I got problems with my email server, expecially from and to US. Can you please send me a mail to: ghironda _at_ hotmail.com lyra_mendicorum.yahoo.it bono _at_ bologna.enea.it I need to know if ONE of these work fine Thanks. I'm moving from a house to another...It's a mess here...I have to work in the new house, and then I have to move 6 gurdies, 3 bicycles, 2 open reel recorders, a band saw (and some stupid furniture of course :o) ciao for now Marcello Bono _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:44:29 GMT From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: Re: HG: (no subject) Hi Marcos >now I would like to start making a baroque HG. I have drawings and >measurements of a french model made by Jean Louvet, (or Louvet, le >jeune) but would like to ask for some help. The bridge is missing. >Should I try to create one? Do anyone know about this specific model? Can you give me more information about the drawings? Is that a little guitar shaped gurdy? where did you find that? ciao Marcello Bono _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:53:35 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Irish HG Henry said: >> But I once saw the picture of an " Irish style HG " in a museum catalog >> , I will try to >> find the proper reference. And Deborah said: >I would be very interested in hearing about an Irish style hurdy gurdy. Me too. The only Irish HG I've ever seen or heard of is in the Palmer book, where she has a picture of a somewhat odd instrument made by an Irishman named Quig in the 18th century. It's in the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin (or at least it was when she wrote the book). Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:01:11 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Welcome Marcos Marcos said: > I'm a music student at Universidade de Sao Paulo, in Brazil. My >research is about instrument making and medieval music. Last year I >bought a Tekerölant, or hurdy-gurdy in Hungary, where I was studing and >started to learn. How did you come to get ahold of a tekerö in Brazil, if I may ask? And who was the maker? > My instrument is a very different one, four-stringed and with a lot >of problems. The nut is glued, the bridge is enourmous, etc, but the >sound is potent. The Hungarian instruments tend to be larger and to look more "rustic" than the French style. I expected a rougher sound and feeling when I sat down to play one of Bela's instruments, so I was pleasantly surprised with the feeling and tone of the instrument. Does it have two chanters and two drones? > I've been performing some Cantigas de amigo from various sources, and >now I would like to start making a baroque HG. I have drawings and >measurements of a french model made by Jean Louvet, (or Louvet, le >jeune) but would like to ask for some help. The bridge is missing. >Should I try to create one? Do anyone know about this specific model? Do you have a set of formal drawings (elevation, section, etc)? And which bridge is missing? Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:22:28 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Quigg HG Exact Dr Hackman , I meant the Quigg HG , all I have somewhere is a small B/W photocopy and a short description .The HG never was a popular instrument in Ireland My friend Nicolas did some busking when travelling in Ireland and nobody seemed to know what he was playing untill one day he found himself playing in the same street as Paul Kelly . Paul Kelly is a Scott/Irish HG playing busker well-known all over Europe who adapted a lot of reels and 6/8 music for the HG. He plays the big French lute-back style gurdy. _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:53:33 -0600 From: Roger Sperline <sperline _at_ theriver.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: low G trompette Alden asked: Am I correct that PVF stands for PolyVinyl Fluoride? I guessed as much from the name shown in the Pyramid catalog, which gives it in German. A: Very close. It stands for "Poly Vinylidene Fluoride" and is something like Teflon, but has less fluorine and more hydrogen. (Teflon has no hydrogen.) This gives it a lot more tensile strength and workability. ---------- Roger _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:06:12 -0600 From: Roger Sperline <sperline _at_ theriver.com> Subject: HG: peg problems I repair violins (etc.). The peg problems you describe usually arrise from the pegs shrinking and being out of round. Touch up the pegs one at a time - do not mix them up because each one will be custom fitted to its hold. First sand one, but use 80 grit paper parallel to the grain, that is, in the long direction of the peg shaft. (Later this allows them to grip the peg compound better.) Next, put the peg in its hole and rotate completely but gently several times - remove and inspect. Where the peg is widest, it will rub in the hole and show a shiny spot. Use a scraper or small piece of sandpaper and remove some wood at the shiny spot. Replace and rotate, then inspect again. Repeat this process until the rubbed spots completely circle the peg (on a violin there are two rubbed rings - one at each side of the pegbox.) Last, apply violin peg compound. Do NOT use "PEG DROPS" !! Use a paste such as "Hiderpaste" or the brown lipstick kind. Peg compound has a little pumice for "grip" and a lot of grease or parafin for "slip". Chalk is too grippy and will cause the peg to squeak when turned. Squeaking is a sign of bad fitting and excessive grip. Reinsert the peg and move on to the next one. Enjoy. Roger, Tucson, AZ, USA _______________________________________________ Date: 22 Jun 2000 17:52:30 +0200 From: Ulla Salzbrunn <ulla.salzbrunn _at_ main-rheiner.de> Subject: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Hi, I'm usually just a "lurker" and don't post much myself. But with St. Chartier and Gennetines being so close - and - with me probably being able to go after all * smiles * - I thought I might ask who else of this list might be going. Would be kinda nice to meet RL. So... I'm curious.... who else might be there? Greetings to all Ulla _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:52:00 -0700 From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Hi, I'm another lurker, probably out of the fact that I don't have too much technical knowledge to share. I will be at St. Chartier and at Gennetines with my husband, Luther (no, not Luthier...) and we will be dancing and playing as much as we can manage. Maybe we should make a time and place to meet. What do you think, Maxou and RT? Should we meet under a particular tree at a particular time? Shall we attach red carnations to our hurdy gurdy cases? This could be fun. Chris Wright (from Seattle, Washington) _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:53:10 -0700 From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net Subject: HG: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Deborah, Yes, Cliff is a hurdy gurdy player, and his concert at Dusty Strings will be a rare opportunity to hear him "up close and personal." Regarding your question about hg drones, most are tuned with G and C or D and G drones. This doesn't mean you have to. I have one instrument that I keep an A drone tuned, which comes in handy at times. Of course, one option is to play without a drone engaged when playing with the pipes. He probably has enough drone for the both of you anyway. You can then play in any key you want, and only play in a "hg" key with your drone when the piper isn't playing. The coup is the rhythmic buzzing sound you make by changing the speed of the wheel. It's a good technique to know, even if you play mostly early music because it works so wonderfully well on dance music and many of the Cantigas, so you'll want to learn it at some point but not necessarily on day 1. When you shop for a hurdy gurdy you'll definitely want a chromatic one, with a trompette (the string that does the buzzing.) Joanne _______________________________________________ Date: 22 Jun 2000 21:56:56 +0200 From: Ulla Salzbrunn <ulla.salzbrunn _at_ main-rheiner.de> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com> An: <Hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2000 20:52 Betreff: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines > Hi, > > I'm another lurker, probably out of the fact that I don't > have too much technical knowledge to share. I will be at St. > Chartier and at Gennetines with my husband, Luther (no, not > Luthier...) and we will be dancing and playing as much as we can > manage. > > Maybe we should make a time and place to meet. What do you > think, Maxou and RT? Should we meet under a particular tree at a > particular time? Shall we attach red carnations to our hurdy gurdy > cases? > > This could be fun. > > Chris Wright (from Seattle, Washington) > <<<<<<< Hi, same here - not too much technical knowledge either. I'll probably "only" be in Gennetines, don't know if I can make it to St. Chartier. Hmmm, will it be okay if I attach a red carnation to my accordeon case instead :-) - as I don't think I'll bring my hurdy-gurdy (it doesn't fancy staying in a hot place so much....) And yes - this would be fun. Ulla (from Mainz, Germany) _______________________________________________ From hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp Wed Sep 13 12:29:07 2000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:20:37 +0900 To: hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com hi, i am a japanese h-g beginner who received my first instrument from alden a few month ago. i have been playing this precious one since then, but recently my key-buttons seem to stuck in the hall when i press and don't return to its "not-pressed" place. i think this is because of japanese rainy season and its humid air, and they made the wooden keys are expanded. (so far, did you get the picture from my poor english?) does anybody face same problem and know any solution? by the way, i became one of the loudest player in my band after i got this instrument. i beat the banjo and fiddle! hurdie-gudiely yours, hiroshi HASEBE, Hiroshi Center for Asian and Pacific Studies Office of International Exchange and Research SEIKEI University ---------------------------------------- 3-3-1, Kichijoji-Kitamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo 180-8633, JAPAN Tel: 0422-37-3549 Fax: 0422-37-3866 http://www.seikei.ac.jp/university/caps/index.html _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:02:40 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: RE: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hello Marcello, > You can tune your gurdy in a different way, you just have to change the > string's gauges properly. It sounds like it wouldn't be too difficult to make the switch. Thanks! Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:07:10 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Hello Joanne, > Yes, Cliff is a hurdy gurdy player, and his concert at Dusty > Strings will be > a rare opportunity to hear him "up close and personal." Thanks. I hope that we can make it. > The coup is the rhythmic buzzing sound you make by changing the > speed of the > wheel. It's a good technique to know, even if you play mostly early music > because it works so wonderfully well on dance music and many of the > Cantigas, so you'll want to learn it at some point but not necessarily on > day 1. Yes, that rhythmic buzzing sound is just wonderful, so it would be something that I would want to learn how to do if I take up the instrument. Medieval dances in general (such as are in McGee's book) are of great interest to me, so I'm sure that this technique would be a must. > When you shop for a hurdy gurdy you'll definitely want a > chromatic one, with > a trompette (the string that does the buzzing.) Sorry to ask so many questions, but is the "trompette" the same thing as the "dog string"? Thanks again, Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:28:33 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Sticking keys , Hi Hiroshi , The keys and keybox do expand and get stuck with humidity, I got stuck like that one spring evening near the riverside. The simple , fast and dirty way to a fix sticking keys five minutes before a show is to coat it with graphite powder or lead pencil .... but it is very dirty indeed . If all the keys get stuck at the same time a more permanent solution is to be found. How is the weather in your area ? How long and humid is the humid season ? _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:15:56 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: ¨Ça se précise, Salut, Au travers des arnaques annoncées dans les journaux ( Paris pour 459$ ... retour 2 jours plus tard .... ) j'ai fini par trouver quelque chose de correct ( je te dis pas le prix mais j'aurais trouvé une scie a ruban a ce prix -la<g>) , et Marie-Christine , la fille d'une amie de Monique , et qui est agent de voyage , m'a trouvé le mêmepour 30$ moins cher , par principe <g>. J'aurai la comfirmation demain . La compagnie se nomme Corsair , départ le samedi 8 juillet ( probablement le soir) et retour le 18 . J'aurais un peu de temp pour voir André Bissonnet et le musée de la Villette. Monique partira le 19 pour la Suède , on pourra aller se reconduire a l'aréoport mutuellement , et on n'aura pas a faire garder le chat <g>. Pour l'instant comme la St Jean tombe un samedi nous aurons congé lundi prochain . A bientôt , Henry _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:20:50 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: ERROR Hi Cali and Alden, As you may notice , there was a mistake in the last mail , wich was not for the list. As you also notice , I may have found an affordable ticket for Paris ( and St Chartier) I will have confirmation tomorrow . Henry _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:33:41 +0900 From: Hiroshi Hasebe <hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp> Subject: Re: HG: Sticking keys , thanks, henry, i was thinking to shape the keys w/ knife to make them small, but powdering is a better and safer way. Japanese rainy season will be over at the middle of July, but after that a long and humid summer is waiting. Not good weather for this instrument. HASEBE, Hiroshi Center for Asian and Pacific Studies Office of International Exchange and Research SEIKEI University ---------------------------------------- 3-3-1, Kichijoji-Kitamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo 180-8633, JAPAN Tel: 0422-37-3549 Fax: 0422-37-3866 http://www.seikei.ac.jp/university/caps/index.html _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:40:42 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Are you at lunch time ? Hi Hiroshi, I see that you are at your computer at the same time as me , I still find it amasing even if I understand that it is perfectly logical . Before you scrape the keys , wait for Alden and Cali 's reply , there may be a more elegant solution . Have you seen Gregg 's w-page ? I wonder if New-Zeland has the same climate as Japan ? http://www.kaon.co.nz/greg/buildlog.html His solution was to sand with ultra fine sand paper and apply some kind of hard wax on the keys Henry _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:13:07 +1200 From: Greg Whitcombe <gregw _at_ kaon.co.nz> Subject: HG: Sticking keys Hi Hiroshi, Henry, Alden, et al .... NZ's climate is subtropical - temperatures (in Auckland, where I am) between 8 & 30 degrees Celsius, humidity up to 95% in summer, down around 10% in winter. I think our Moisture Content is rated at about 18% overall. I don't know how this compares to Japan. The wax I used on my keys is just a plain furniture polish which has a good amount of carnauba wax in the formula. When the solvent evaporates, rub rapidly with firm pressure, and the keys become very slick. I've only applied the wax at the time of building, and I've had no sticking keys as yet (after 2 years). I suspect that if I took it to the U.S. I would find a few sticky spots after a few days, though. Alden will doubtless advise a procedure to cure the problem. If it was my instrument, I'd try & find which side of the key is sticking, take some 1200-grit - or similar fine abrasive paper glued to a flat board and VERY gently sand the offending key after removing it from the instrument. I would then use the wax polish to re-finish the key. That would work on my instruments, but I can't say if the same is true for for one of Alden's. Best regards, Greg Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:14:05 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Hi Greg This is almost a chat <g> Here in Québec it is 23 h ( 11pm ) and I should go to bed , but this is to much fun ! My friend Nicolas choose to use plexiglass square rod for the keys of his very modern looking electric HG . In the old days of plain wood wheels the wheel would distort and twist and playing would be just impossible . _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:14:57 +0900 From: Hiroshi Hasebe <hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp> Subject: Re: HG: Are you at lunch time ? Henry, telling you the truth, i am at my office and working. at least i look like typing something important. Since nobody but me doesn't understand this language in this office, i am a kind of "workaholic". anyway, back to h-g, yeah, i would wait and see. it is okay if i use my thumb to push back the sticking key everytime i press it, but i found out it is impossible to play any of "fast" song. and very irritating, too. and i would look like a kung-fu master massaging the backbone of some animal, like skunk. regards, hiroshi HASEBE, Hiroshi Center for Asian and Pacific Studies Office of International Exchange and Research SEIKEI University ---------------------------------------- 3-3-1, Kichijoji-Kitamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo 180-8633, JAPAN Tel: 0422-37-3549 Fax: 0422-37-3866 http://www.seikei.ac.jp/university/caps/index.html _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:49:44 +1200 From: Greg Whitcombe <gregw _at_ kaon.co.nz> Subject: HG: Key Materials Henry, >Here in Québec it is 23 h ( 11pm ) and I should go to bed , but this is >to much fun ! Here in NZ it is16:30, and I am about to leave work & go home for the day. Tonight is band practice - we have 3 performances this weekend so I will be glad to get back to work on Monday for a rest .. ! :-) >My friend Nicolas choose to use plexiglass square rod for the keys of >his very modern looking electric HG . I never thought of that. I wonder if Delrin would work as well. It's self-lubricating, after all .... >In the old days of plain wood >wheels the wheel would distort >and twist and playing would be just impossible . I have a wheel with a plexiglass core, and laminated wooden rim on an experimental HG. I'll be very surprised if that warps in any way. Best regards, Greg Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:31:30 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: RE: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Marcello said: >> You can tune your gurdy in a different way, you just have to change the >> string's gauges properly. Deborah said: >It sounds like it wouldn't be too difficult to make the switch. It's not, but choosing the right string diameter is important, so that the correct tension is maintained. Marcello has a nice webpage on his site where he talks about string diameters. For example, we once had to air express strings to someone in a recording studio in Hawaii. Being new to the instrument, he had thought that he could just tune those g' chanters up to an a'. The strings broke. Some strings are more forgiving - we usually use a pretty large diameter string for the mouche, tuned to g, and Cali likes to tune it up to an a, which it does with no problem. The tension is quite a bit lower than the chanters, which explains it. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:36:01 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Deborah said: >Sorry to ask so many questions, but is the "trompette" the same thing as the >"dog string"? Yes, "trompette" is the French name for the string, and "dog string" or "trumpet string" (a name I really despise for some reason) is the English name. The bridge that actually does the buzzing is the "chien" in French, the "dog" in English, the "Schnarrsteg" in German (hardly anyone in the HG community calls it that except for German speakers, but I love it - it means "snoring bridge"). If you're RT Taylor, you call it the "buzz-o-matic". ;-) Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:28:59 EDT From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Hello ! The meeting point is the drinking place (no special hour, no special day). I will have a beer in my right hand. You will recognize me... Maxou _______________________________________________ Date: 23 Jun 2000 11:57:05 +0200 From: Ulla Salzbrunn <ulla.salzbrunn _at_ main-rheiner.de> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines > Hello ! > > The meeting point is the drinking place (no special hour, no special day). I > will have a beer in my right hand. You will recognize me... > > Maxou > Hello! * smiles * Well - it might not be too difficult - at least not if you also say some words - probably there won't be too many English speaking, beer drinking people around :-)) Ulla _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:35:27 +0100 From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines ----- Original Message ----- From: Ulla Salzbrunn <ulla.salzbrunn _at_ main-rheiner.de> To: <Hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Hi Ulla, Chris, Maxou, everyone We will be at SaintChartier as well and we will most certainly be drinking beer and speaking English ... See you there! Rose _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:04:01 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Sticking keys Luthiers Gentlemen: I need to tweek you just a little bit :-) Hurdy-gurdies from Olympic Instruments are not just built by Alden Hackmann. This is a partnership and I do most of the woodworking. I am not particularly sensitive, but it does get just a bit old when everyone assumes that Alden built the instrument. I will grant you that I think my husband is brilliant, but then so am I :-) Cali Hackmann _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:19:11 -0700 From: "Meador, John" <john.meador _at_ unistudios.com> Subject: RE: HG: Sticking keys Luthiers to all: a comment from a sometimes "lurker' and a very impartial commentator... Alden and Cali are both very brilliant.. and very nice people too... Meador-Man _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:03:44 +0100 From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_ btinternet.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Ulla Sorry, four more English speakers - 3/4 of Cheap Jack (formerly the Angel Band) + caller ( a bit like the Islington Folk Club on tour, Rose?). But not beer drinking - the Breton cider is just wonderful! Also looking forward to another helping of rabbit stew served in a baguette! Last year I went to pick up my HG which was being made by Helmut Gotschy. Great festival but unfortunately Helmut's stall was filled with Macedonians and Helmut was in hospital with badly broken knee. Finally got it in January and it is great! This year I'm taking the HG back for some adjustments. For those of you going, my HG has been much admired by players in England including Cliff Stapelton and it is also reasonably priced compared to French gurdies (but don't buy one from Lark in the Morning - over double the price Helmut charged me!) Incidentally I returned from holiday to find that many keys would not fall back. I used fine grade abrasive paper to ease them, but is use of furniture polish also recommended? I find graphite powder OK but dirty. Also, after a couple of months my gros bourdon didn't touch the wheel - hence the adjustments needed - but suddenly last week it did. Which brings me on to the English' favourite topic of discussion... the weather.... David _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:28:29 -0300 From: kaiser <kmkaiser _at_ usp.br> Subject: HG: Re: Hg digest, Hi Henri, Alden, Marcello, Thanks for the wellcoming. > Marcos, do you mean the "buzzing bridge " is missing ? 18centh makers > made > instruments with or without it , as asked by the customer . One thing to > check on those > museum plans , is the string lenght , some of those18 centh . > instruments much smaller than the > folk style instruments made in Jenzat 1n the 19 centh. and that are the > " standart" today. > Have a look at those pictures from the " La Villette" music museum in > Paris. > http://servsim.cite-musique.fr/museedelamusique/photo.asp This site will be very useful to me. Thank you. Unfortunately, I could not find pictures showing the model of the drawings.(The head has a hat, with a feather, and curly hair) The bridge missing is the "Chevalet de chanterelles". The drawings show only the place and size of the feets. They probably lost it and have clues from its size by marks on the soundboard. By the way, the back is so thin and free of weight that I was wandering which one of the parts is the soundboard. The plans also show that Louvet used a guitar soundboard , with "rosaces"( or rosetas... I don't know the word in english) covered as bottom of the soundbox. > Can you give me more information about the drawings? > Is that a little guitar shaped gurdy? > where did you find that? > > ciao > > Marcello Bono Yes , it is small ( 45,8cm x 24,2-soundbox)and guitar shaped. I got the drawings from a friend, harpsichord maker in Sao Paulo, who bought it in Paris, at "musée instrumental du C.N.S.M." It is in 1:1 scale, with cuts, elevation and description of the material, including changes of thickness in the soundbox and early repairs. > > How did you come to get ahold of a teker=F6 in Brazil, if I may ask? > >And who was the maker? > > The Hungarian instruments tend to be larger and to look more "rustic" than > the French style. I expected a rougher sound and feeling when I sat down > to play one of Bela's instruments, so I was pleasantly surprised with the > feeling and tone of the instrument. > Does it have two chanters and two drones? > > Alden Have you been to Hungary? My mother is hungarian. There is a lot of hungarians here, and they still keep the traditions. I'm practicing the gurdy with folksongs, some collected by Béla Bartók. My hungarian HG was made in 1983 by Bársonyi Mihály, Tiszaalpár.It has only one chanter, and play in D, with original gut strings. Marcos _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:47:22 +0200 From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_ club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Bonsoir, rose daly a *crit : > We will be at SaintChartier as well and we will most certainly be drinking > beer and speaking English ... > As will about 654 other people! ;>) Dominique "Ah la la ce Maxou il est-y-chti" Renaudin _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:31:22 +0900 From: Hiroshi Hasebe <hasebe _at_ jim.seikei.ac.jp> Subject: Re: HG: Sticking keys Luthiers Maybe sometimes people are just too lazy to type "Alden and Cali", but i think this is important. My partner would feel the same as Cali and I definitely would feel the same as well. Welcome to the 21st Cent., boys and girls! So, dear Alden and Cali and ladies and gentlemen, what is the best way to solve the problem of sticking keys? Or best way to keep the HG dry enough? Hiroshi-Man (NOT Hiroshima) _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:04:42 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Re: Sticking keys, hg's and the weather Hi, Sticking keys are a problem which everyone will encounter from time to time unless you keep your hurdy-gurdy in a sealed room, in which case what good is it? :-) There are many ways to deal with sticking keys. Several of you have mentioned using very fine sandpaper to sand the key a bit and this is a reasonable solution. Take care when you do so though because when the weather dries out a bit you may find that your keys are suddenly floppy. Graphite/wax/other lubricants can also help. We use powered teflon, it isn't quite as dirty/messy as graphite and it has great lubricating qualities. As with graphite and wax, you need to be careful to keep it away from your wheel surface. The flip side of sanding a bit off the keys is filing a bit from the holes in the keybox which they slide in. If you have one or two sticking keys examine them carefully on both the front and back side of the keybox and see if you can tell where they are rubbing. Hint, the problem is usually (though certainly not always) in one of the corners. Sometimes all you need to do is round the corners of the key a bit which will solve the problem, but not leave you with a keyhole which can be too large. Sometimes it does help to get a small needle file and file the keyhole itself. The time to do this is if the keyhole isn't quite square and is causing the key to torque a bit. This may become worse if the humidity causes the keybox to swell a bit. By the way, the keys can also stick if it becomes too dry. When the humidity gets very low the wood can shrink which causes the keyholes to tighten around the keys as well. Usually it is not the key itself which is causing the problem, it is the keybox which is made of a wood which is more reactive to the changes in humidity. We make our keys out of cocobolo which is a type of rosewood. This wood has a high oil content (or as Daniel Thonon would say "it is a greasy wood") and it doesn't change much in variable weather. The keybox sides on the other hand are maple which is a bit more reactive. This is a problem I think about alot. I have even thought about using sheet graphite to make the keybox sides. I haven't yet come up with a solution which fits all my criteria i.e. it must be stable, easy to work, of reasonable cost, look great, and be as organic as possible. If anyone comes up with the perfect suggestion let me know. The other thing to check is whether or not the keyholes are too large. Sometimes if the keyholes aren't square and the front hole and back hole aren't aligned properly the key ends up being fitted by filing the hole a little larger in order to allow it to slide. When this happens the key will slide freely when it is in just the right position, but if you push on it just a bit offsides the key will torque in the extra space in the hole and bind. One last bit of info and I will step down off my soapbox. I have played several instruments lately which had keys which fit well, but the keys either were hard to push or stuck a bit when I played. I found that they were in a poor playing position for me (I have short little fingers) and I was pushing down on them when I played and causing them to stick a bit. If this should happen to you with your instrument, try making an effort to center your fingers on the keys and push straight back when you play. Hiroshi, we will send you some teflon and instructions to try. Also, sometimes a packette or two of silica gel (they pack it in with electronics like computers and TV's) in your keybox when you are not playing can help. Also, keep your instrument in the case when you are not playing and keep it in as dry a place as you can. We get pretty high humidity here in Washington State, but it does not get very hot here often so probably your relative humidity is higher than ours. :-)----Cali Hackmann _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:08:03 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Sticking keys, hg's and the weather Oops, that should have read powdered Teflon. :-)---Cali _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:05:30 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG: Still sticking... Let's look at this from a positive angle . Years ago the ( before 1930 ? ) the wheel was made of solid wood and was the first part of the HG to go out of order . I have been told that in some area like in East -Britanny the players would stop playing after sunset because the wheel would become oval shaped with the humidity .Modern wheels are made with a laminated core and wheel deformation is a thing of the past ( with the exeption of the people playing on genuine antiques instruments <g>). Before the invention of the steel cast frame , even piano playing was impossible or at least very inconveniant , in most of Asia , today some of the best pianos ( or the most popular ?) are made in Japan and Korea . There are no such thing (yet) as a perfect HG , or bagpipe , every instrument seems to have a different personnality , it is the duty of the musician to use all details of the character of the instrument . It could happen that your HG will be a bit stiff for some part of the year and loose for the rest of the year , you will have to develop a different style of playing ( I would not think of playing outside in Québec winter at -30°C ) _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:43:37 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Louvet HG from Paris Marcos said: > The bridge missing is the "Chevalet de chanterelles". The drawings >show only the place and size of the feets. They probably lost it and >have clues from its size by marks on the soundboard. I have some photos of a Louvet instrument. I put the ones showing the bridge on this webpage: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/louvet.html. Unfortunately there aren't any good views of the bridge from straight-on, but this is a hard shot to get unless the tailpiece is missing ;-) These are from a lute-back, but I would imagine that the bridge style was the same. One interesting aspect of this is that you don't know the scale length unless there are nut marks shown inside the keybox. There are computational ways around this. >By the way, the >back is so thin and free of weight that I was wandering which one of the >parts is the soundboard. The plans also show that Louvet used a guitar >soundboard , with "rosaces"( or rosetas... I don't know the word in >english) covered as bottom of the soundbox. Ah, THAT Louvet. Henry and I have discussed this instrument before, on the MIMForum. ;-) If we're talking about the same Louvet, Cali and I saw it in the Musée de Musique in Paris last summer. It's pretty much in pieces, which explains the missing chanter bridge. BTW, we highly recommend the Musée de Musique to anyone who is visiting Paris. We went there, and we skipped the Louvre. Need we say more? > Yes , it is small ( 45,8cm x 24,2-soundbox)and guitar shaped. >I got the drawings from a friend, harpsichord maker in Sao Paulo, who >bought it in Paris, at "musée instrumental du C.N.S.M." > It is in 1:1 scale, with cuts, elevation and description of the >material, including changes of thickness in the soundbox and early >repairs. We are, of course, interested in getting ahold of a set if they're not outrageously expensive. Is anyone going to Paris this year? ;-) This isn't a museum I've heard of. Anyone know more about it? Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:09:19 +0200 From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at> Subject: HG: Key problems and Destrem book Hi Hiroshi, George and all I agree with Cali in using Silica Gel for keeping Your HG dry. But I don't use the packets, I use loose pearls. They have originally dark blue colour and will change it to salmon or pink when they absorbed the humidity. And the best thing is You can reanimate them when You put them in Your oven for approx. 45 minutes at 80-100°C! Then they will get back their dark blue colour. You can do that very often, maybe unlimited... I recommend You to put a small portion of pearls in an cloth bag and put it into Your instrument case when You don't use Your HG. A small hygrometer would also be useful to control the humidity inside the case.I think 50-60% humidity would be fine. I have a lot of those pearls (bought 5kg 3 years ago) and would send You some if You want. Let me know. George: the book You wanted to know is really a useful one! Here are the informations: "The Hurdy-Gurdy" / "La Vielle" / "Die Drehleier" by Philippe Destrem and Volker Heidemann, Verlag der Spielleute, Hoffmann&Co.KG, Langlosenweg 14, D-64385 Reichelsheim, Germany, Phone (inside Germany): 06164/912083 FAX: 912084, ISBN 3-927240-15-x. URL: http://www.spielleute.de/ For France only: amta ISBN 2-9507682-0-2. Many regards from Austria! Ernst _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:09:00 +0100 From: graham <graham _at_ altongate.demon.co.uk> Subject: HG: Helmut Gotschy HG David (Bawden) You wrote: ------------------------------------------ Last year I went to pick up my HG which was being made by Helmut Gotschy. Great festival but unfortunately Helmut's stall was filled with Macedonians and Helmut was in hospital with badly broken knee. Finally got it in January and it is great! This year I'm taking the HG back for some adjustments. For those of you going, my HG has been much admired by players in England including Cliff Stapelton and it is also reasonably priced compared to French gurdies (but don't buy one from Lark in the Morning - over double the price Helmut charged me!) ------------------------------------------- I was interested in a similar purchase last year but got put off by Lark in the Morning's prices and attitude. Have you or anyone else got a WWW site for Helmut Gotschy ???? Graham Whyte graham _at_ altongate.co.uk _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:31:02 +0200 From: Burkhard Mueller <BurkhardMueller _at_ t-online.de> Subject: Re: HG: Helmut Gotschy HG Hi Graham, Helmuts site is: http://www.gotschy.com/ Have much fun Burkhard _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:36:47 +0200 From: Xavier AIME <XAIME _at_ wanadoo.fr> Subject: HG: String density - carved figurehead Hi all, My first question is about the string's density, specialy drone's density. To reckon their tension on a hg wich is tuned in g', I need some parameters : string's length, tune and density. For the bass drone (Savarez BF 1002), we have 4246 kg/m3, and for the tenor drone (Savarez BF 422) , we have 3512 kg/m3, but our results (with Arto's String Calculator) are too great (between 6 and 7 kilogs). So, could somebody give me the good density of this strings ? My second question is about carved figurehead. I would like to know the origine of this practical on hg, and if there are some particularity or rules on their making. Thank you in advance, Xavier ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Xavier AIME - informaticien - Webmaster du site "Vielle à Roue" Site : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle.html E-mail (site) : hg.vielle _at_ wanadoo.fr #### Dernière mise à jour / Last update : juin 2000 - june 2000 ######################### ____________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:24:17 -0700 From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: HG: Adjustments to HG I keep seeing references to a book by Destrem & Somebody. Could someone give the full title please? And an ISBN or publisher would be useful. Thanks George ("-"-/").___..""`-._ `6_6 ) `-. ( ). `-.__.') (_Y_.)' ._ ), ._. ``-..-' _..'--' ..- / /--' .',/ (il),-" (li),' ((!.-' _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:36:05 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: RE: HG: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Alden, > It's not, but choosing the right string diameter is important, so that the > correct tension is maintained. Marcello has a nice webpage on his site > where he talks about string diameters. Right. I understand this, as I use open tunings on my guitar (which change the tension considerably, in some cases). Thanks, Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:37:05 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: RE: HG: RE: Re: Inquiring about the Hurdy-Gurdy Alden, > Yes, "trompette" is the French name for the string, and "dog string" or > "trumpet string" (a name I really despise for some reason) is the English > name. > > The bridge that actually does the buzzing is the "chien" in French, the > "dog" in English, the "Schnarrsteg" in German (hardly anyone in the HG > community calls it that except for German speakers, but I love it - it > means "snoring bridge"). If you're RT Taylor, you call it the > "buzz-o-matic". ;-) Great. Thanks. Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:59:59 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: String density Xavier said: >My first question is about the string's density, specialy drone's density. >To reckon their tension on a hg wich is tuned in g', I need some parameters >: string's length, tune and density. For the bass drone (Savarez BF 1002), >we have 4246 kg/m3, and for the tenor drone (Savarez BF 422) , we have 3512 >kg/m3, but our results (with Arto's String Calculator) are too great >(between 6 and 7 kilogs). So, could somebody give me the good density of >this strings ? I'm interested: where did you get these densities? I developed a spreadsheet which calculates the average density of a wound string based on the diameters and densities of the core material and the wrap material. This then allows the calculation of the tension or the pitch or the sounding length (assuming you know the other two parameters.) According to my calculations, these are reasonable densities for copper or silver-plated copper. I don't know the density of the alloy Savarez is using for these strings, but it is somewhere between 8.16 (copper) and 10.50 (silver). It's certainly possible to have these strings tuned to somewhere in the range of 60 N tension (=6 kg). Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:59:06 +0200 From: Xavier AIME <XAIME _at_ wanadoo.fr> Subject: HG: Re: Carved heads. Hi Henry and all, > To those who do not already know , Xavier is the host of a very > interesting w-site about our favorite instrument , it is in french but is certainly worth a > look. > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle/vieldeb.html > > IMHO ( in my humble opinion ) as far as I know and other bla-bla -bla Thank you very much, but there is a little error ; my web address is: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle.html Xavier _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:57:12 +0200 From: Xavier AIME <XAIME _at_ wanadoo.fr> Subject: HG: Re: String density Hi Alden, > I'm interested: where did you get these densities? I reckon the density with string's length, string's diameter and string weight (gave by friend) : Petit bourdon : length -> 645mm, weight -> 3.1g, diameter -> 1.32mm Gros bourdon : length -> 660mm, weight -> 5.4g, diameter -> 1.6mm For example : - Gros Bourdon : Volume=length*pi*(diamter/2)^2 Volume = (0,660 * pi * (0,0016/2) * (0,0016/2)) Volume = (0,660 * pi * 0,0008 * 0,0008) Volume = (0,660 * pi * 6,4.10-6) Volume = (0,660 * 2,01.10-6) Volume = 1,327.10-6 m3 Density = Weight / Volume Density = 0,00541 / 1,327.10-6 Density ~ 4076 kg/m3 And when I reckon the tension with 450mm as string's length, I obtain : 6,79 kg - Petit bourdon and 6,77 - Gros Bourdon What do you think about this results ? Xavier _______________________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:47 +0200 From: Pello Garcia <pellog _at_ jazzfree.com> Subject: Re: HG: Re: St. Chartier - Gennetines Hi ! > I'm usually just a "lurker" and don't post much myself. But with St. > Chartier and Gennetines being so close - and - with me probably being able > to go after all * smiles * - I thought I might ask who else of this list > might be going. Would be kinda nice to meet RL. > > So... I'm curious.... who else might be there? I will be at St.Chartier as every year, but probably will bring only my gaita (galician bagpipe)... Greetings from Catalonia - Spain _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:13:40 +0000 From: jenlord <jenlord _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: HG:St. Chartier 6/28 Hello y'all! Apparently this is some kind of hg festival? Is this something I should be checking out? Curiously, Casey Clapp, in sunny Marin County _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:41:58 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG:Recognizing each other at St. Chartier Though we won't be there (sigh, sniff, sniff) we're looking forward to the upcoming HG list-members meeting at St. Chartier. If you would like to send me a photo of yourself, I can make a little webpage of the photos so you can all recognize each other (since there will of course be a lot of people drinking beer and speaking English... ;-) ) Please contact me off-list about getting the photos to me. Alden _______________________________________________ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:05:09 -0700 From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG:RE: St. Chartier Hi Casey, > Casey Clapp, in sunny Marin County I'm in sunny Sonoma County! Are you a hurdy gurdy player? Deborah _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:03:36 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: Re: HG:RE: St. Chartier Hello y'all! Apparently this is some kind of hg festival? Is this something I should be checking out? Curiously, Casey Clapp, in sunny Marin County .......................................................... From: "Deborah White" <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com> Subject: HG:RE: St. Chartier > Hi Casey, > > > Casey Clapp, in sunny Marin County > > I'm in sunny Sonoma County! Are you a hurdy gurdy player? > > Deborah > ................ So this is how we find out that we live next door to another Hurdy Gurdy player. Through this wonderful list. Yes Casey you guessed right. St. Chartier is a Festival, the bigest one in the whole know universe. It is also a town in the center of France. You must go there as soon as possile. Book your flight as soon as possilbe so that you can meet the rest of us and have a fantastic time. Check out their web site. http://www.saintchartier.com/ r.t. _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: Re: HG: Stamps, Rubber stamps are still used today. Boudet has (or had) at least one border motif he calls 'petites fleurs' and as the name implies depicts small flowers. The stamp is a floral S shape that when repeated along the border of the soundboard gives the impression of a continuous garland. The print is made in black and green and red touches are added by hand on the leaves and flowers respectively. Apparently one of the techniques for applying transfers onto the keybox, or other parts, was to place a newspaper illustration face down on freshly varnished (still wet) wood. When the varnish dried the paper was soaked with water and rubbed till it wore away leaving the ink of the illustration enbedded in the varnish. I tried this some years ago with varying results, in my experience acetone rubbed on the back of photocopies works better. R.T.:I went to Hurdy Gurdies R Us but their decal section is all 4th of July stuff. Perhaps I should paint the ribs red and white and have a blue soundboard with stars on it ? hmmm.... Juan _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:18:09 +0100 From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com Subject: HG:RE: Recognizing each other at St. Chartier Hello Everybody What we really need of course, is a live audio website so we can make the sounds and sights (or even smells?) of the festival available to you unlucky people who can't come this year. Let's think... a few webcams at strategic points (village square, bars, on one of the towers, on Maxou's straw hat, etc), roving reporters with microphones, infra-red links to laptop PC running the website with mobile phone link to the internet.... Well, maybe not :-) I'm sure we can arrange a few photographs though. Looking forward to meeting some of you. Peter Hughes (Probably also wearing a straw hat, speaking very bad French, and playing a Chris Eaton HG). ____________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:15:56 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG:Et dans quelle direction ça flanche ? Salut, Les amortisseurs , c'est pas trop grave , mais la direction ? Il y a un site ouaibe qui donne toutes sortes d'itinéraires , je le retrouverai ce soir. Le Louvre c'est une blague , je sais bien qu'on ne peut pas tout voir un deux jours. Il y aura bien assez d'aventures avec le trajet en Uno <g>. Faudra prendre des photos et tenir un journal de bord .<g> Il yaurait un article de journal a faire avec ça . A bientôt, Henry _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:21:19 -0400 From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: HG:1999 photos Here is a link to Stephane Rabier's w-site , with pictures of 1999 festival http://perso.easynet.fr/~vielleux/stchartier99/pix99.htm _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:50:51 +0200 (MEST) From: Stefan Neumeier <S.R.Neumeier _at_ gmx.de> Subject: HG:introduction to list I signed up the list some time ago and had no time to introduce myself. So I am going to make up leeway. My name is Stefan Neumeier and I am living in a suburb of Munich, Germany. Some years ago I heared a hurdygurdy at a christmas market. Thenceforward I knew that I want to learn to play such an instrument, too. Unfortunatelly it seemed too expensive to buy a hurdygurdy. But last December my dreams became true. I had the chance to get an used hurdygurdy built by Kurt Reichmann. It is a wonderful rennaissance hurdy gurdy (I think at the Lark of the Morning homepage is a black and whit picture of such a hurdygurdy). And lucky as I am I found a teacher in Munich. See you, Stefan Neumeier _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:28:03 +0200 From: Totof <chriscyb _at_ cybercable.fr> Subject: Re: HG: Re: Re: Where to meet in St. Chartier "R. T. Taylor" a écrit : > From: "rose daly" <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net> > To: <Hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:48 PM > Subject: HG: Re: Where to meet in St. Chartier > > > > > Brilliant idea! Is the Espace Plus actually in St Chartier? > > It is part of the Festival area surrounding the Chateau. > When you enter the area of the Festival you will see everything if you walk > around for a while. There is a large tent that is used for the small > concerts and the concours. This tent area is called Espace Plus. > > _______________________________________________ > The Hurdy-Gurdy Mailing List > hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com Hello there! ;o) I am back... finally! :o) Yes, I realise I haven't been writing for many weeks but I am too busy and always away from Paris! Sorry! :o/ I take the opportunity of the messages I have received from some friends I have in the States and in Canada to say I will try to be in Saint-Chartier as well. I also will do my best to join the meeting, though I am not quite sure I will be able to come this year since I will be back from Montreal on the 11st or 12nd of July, after the concerts... I really hope you will arrange other meetings near the ' Château ', so that we all can gather and so that I have the pleasure to meet the people - hurdy-gurdy or bagpipe players - I don't know! - :o) Well, I will try to write another message a bit later, before I leave... You all take care and see you - possibly - in Saint-Char(cu)tier (that is a well-known play on words I can't translate, I am afraid; " Saint Pork Butcher " doesn't mean anything!)... Those tricks and ' wisecracks ' are snatches of jokes we all can hear among people who visit the Festival every year! ;o) Enough verbiage for tonight / tonite (US way of typing, in order to please Alden, Judy and RT! LOL) BTW... I have given some Ukrainian cousins I have the new link to this forum. Of course, they play the Ukrainian hurdy-gurdy and " dudy " but their English seems to be rather poor... anyway, they probably will subscribe! Bye and long life to the list! ;o) Christophe (Tellart) _______________________________________ ' Carpe diem, dum vivis ! ' chriscyb _at_ cybercable.fr chriscyb _at_ caramail.com pranguli _at_ yahoo.fr _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:24:47 EDT From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: HG:1999 photos In a message dated 6/29/00 4:25:45 AM, boite _at_ sympatico.ca writes: >Here is a link to Stephane Rabier's w-site , with pictures of 1999 >festival >http://perso.easynet.fr/~vielleux/stchartier99/pix99.htm Hey, there are some nice shots of Alden and Cali Hackmann near the top. -Anna Peekstok _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:53:32 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: Re: HG:1999 photos, even more photos ! Also go to the top of his web page http://perso.easynet.fr/~vielleux/ for more interesting HG stuff with a really cute picture of a "Hurdy Gurdy Baby", And this link to some beautiful black and white pictures from St. Chartier. Including the village, pubs and the dancing areas at night. http://matd.citeweb.net/stchartier.htm r.t. _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:24:55 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: HG:Passacaille, Wild French Folkers Any of you that have been to St. Chartier or have played in Paris for the Wednesday night jam at Quai St. Bernard, will recognize the musicians in the group "Passacaille". If you come to St. Chartier, look for them playing at night in back of the Chateau. Nice friendly folk. Come on and Jam with us. r.t. http://www.chez.com/passacaille/index.htm _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:04:05 +0000 From: jenlord <jenlord _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: Re: HG:RE: St. Chartier Deborah White wrote: > > Hi Casey, > > > Casey Clapp, in sunny Marin County > > I'm in sunny Sonoma County! Are you a hurdy gurdy player? > > Deborah > > _______________________________________________ > The Hurdy-Gurdy Mailing List > hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailman/listinfo/hg_hurdygurdy.com I have HG potential! bought one, am trying to get it to work. wheel is still juuuuust out of round... csaey _______________________________________________ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:29:33 ICT From: OTAKE Keiji <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com> Subject: HG:Re2: resin & weather Hi, Thank you for your advice, Marcello. >No, I think that extreme humid weather can change the dimention >of some parts (according to direction of wood grain). Usually I change the >amount of cotton (but I can do that because I >like to play baroque music, and my gurdy has got a very light "action") And so, the last way against the humidity is ...... silica gel ! Reading the name of St. Chartier, I really regret that I cannot visit this year. I have been there once about 20 years ago, I hope the 2nd time will come to me someday. So, have a good time, you all who have an opportunity to visit St. Chartier ! Kei (^_^)/~ _______________________________________________ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:36:08 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: HG: Re: HG:St. Chartier Casey said: > Apparently this is some kind of hg festival? Is this something I should >be checking out? This is THE hurdy-gurdy festival in Europe, the world's largest, held at a chateau in central France. It's coming up in mid-July. There are concerts every night, followed by playing and dancing until the sun comes up, tons of instrument builders and vendors of CD's, books, and all sorts of other cool HG stuff. There's a link on our Links page to the official St. Chartier page. Alden _______________________________________________ |
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