Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - November 2002
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:51:41 EST
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] tune names request
Dans un e-mail daté du 31/10/02 23:57:39 Paris, Madrid, dave _at_ biff.org.uk
a écrit :
http://www.biff.org.uk/dave/music/stchartier02.pdf
1st tune : 1st part is "la petite polka" from Sancerrois. 2nd part is a
bit different.
last of 3rd page : 1st part of gilles Chabenat's Mazurka (CD "les
ecoliers de Saint-Genest")
Maxou
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:15:39 -0500
From: Keith Owen Richards <richards _at_ vif.com>
Subject: [HG] Tap tuning of soundboards and braces
Hello,
A question for builders: is it customary to tune the soundboards and
braces of hurdy-gurdys so as to avoid beats or "wolf notes"?
Regards,
K. Richards
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:19:40 EST
From: RJNA _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] wood recommendations
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:06:19 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Tap tuning of soundboards and braces
Keith Owen Richards <richards _at_ vif.com> wrote:
> is it customary to tune the
> soundboards and braces of hurdy-gurdys so as to
> avoid beats or "wolf notes"?
No, in my opinion wolf tone depends on several other
things.
The tuning (?) of soundboard and braces affect mostly
the whole sound and the balance of the gurdy.
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Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:10:49 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] tune names request
Hello,
Dave Holland wrote:
> I have another request. At St Chartier this year I recorded some tunes
> (only in sessions/late night dances, not the concerts, before anyone
> tells me off).
(btw my personal ethos does make no difference in recording musicians,
payed or unpayed ones. Meaning: Asking and getting permission before
recording is neccessary in both cases)
> I've just got around to transcribing them, but of course,
> I don't know the names to put with the tunes.
>
> If anyone would do me a favour, and take a look at the tunes at
> http://www.biff.org.uk/dave/music/stchartier02.pdf (56KB) and let me
> know the names of any they recognise, I'd be very grateful.
sorry I cannot help you further with these, it seems not to be one of
the sessions I am playing in St.Chartier (seems to be squeezebox-based,
playing Gill Chabenats mazurka in a-minor).
regards,
Simon Wascher
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:33:01 +0100
From: Marc reymen <reymen _at_ pandora.be>
Subject: Re: [HG] Tap tuning of soundboards and braces
Is there somebody who has experienc whith tuning a hg soundboard?
because i made some violins to i have some experience whith tuning
sounboards for a violine but for a HG ???
I think the soandboard is divided in two by the large hole for the wheel
.
Real soundboard is only the part from wheel to handle
All the rest is only acoustical amplification because the bridge can not
make it moving directly but only via the backplate....
Who agree's ???or not ???
an interesting discussion I think...
Marc
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:14:22 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
I would like to put together a list of about 20 to 25 tunes (classical,
traditional and popular) and have someone record them on solo hurdy
gurdy. I'd like to see how advanced players would play them and serve as
a tutorial for me. It would give me something to use as a guide. I
would be willing to pay for your time and effort. If possible, I would
like to get them on a CDr, but cassette would be acceptable. I am not
looking for anything elaborate, simply a solo hurdy gurdy playing the
melody line.
Classical would be tunes like "Fur Elise," "Pachelbel's Canon In D,"
"Jesu, Joy Of Man's Desiring," etc.
Traditional would be some popular Celtic-oriented tunes like "Fields Of
Athenry," "Toora Loora Loora," etc.
Popular would be like ""You Light Up My Life," "Can't Help Falling In
Love," or any popular songs from the 1980's to present.
Thank you.
Jake Conte
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:25:58 -0800
From: Jay <jghof _at_ centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Jake,
If you are able to pull this off, I would like a copy. I will, of course
pay my part.
Jay Hoffman
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:02:30 -0800
From: Patricia Lipscomb <hurdygurdygirl _at_ molehaven.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
I too would like to buy a copy when one exists.
When R.T. makes teaching CDs, he plays each tune both at regular speed
(sometimes with some ornamentation) and also plays it showed way down so
we can take it in. If someone makes a CD and does something like that,
maybe fast and slow could be on consecutive but separate cuts so anyone
who wants to skip the slow version can do so.
Great idea, Jake.
Trish
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:33:13 -0800
From: JulieR <julesong _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Ditto on "I'd love to have a copy." :)
--JulieR
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:04:48 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
There are several "classical" and lot of traditional
hurdy-gurdy tunes, why do you want to play such a
strange (or unplayable) repertoire?!?
Fur Elise was written for a 88 keys/some pedals and
two hands player.....:o)
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Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:41:59 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Marcello,
I listed these classical melodies only to illustrate the type of familiar
light classical pieces I was interested in (as examples), not that they
had to be these pieces specifically.
Jake Conte
formerly Giovanni Conte of Sora, Italy,
now of the Garden State of New Jersey
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:04:43 -0000
From: Charles Topham <serendipity.puppets _at_ ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
...... If you are able to pull this off, I would like a copy. I will, of
course pay my part......
And me and me, the little one from Shropshire cried......and me....how about
a gurdy collection of Morris tunes in D, but that's just me being selfish !?
Good idea Jake....I see the lead pollution hasn't got you just yet!?
cheers
Charles ( I'm getting a good second hand gurdy in D soon, then I'll be a
BIG boy won't I ?)
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:38:35 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Marcello said -
>Fur Elise was written for a 88 keys/some pedals and
>two hands player.....:o)
We might need to invent a new instrument --- oh, never mind, there was the
Giegenwerk... ;-)
>There are several "classical" and lot of traditional
>hurdy-gurdy tunes, why do you want to play such a
>strange (or unplayable) repertoire?!?
I wonder the same thing - while I'm the last to want to limit the
instrument's scope, I tend to think that there are two choices:
1) playing what works well on the instrument already, in which case there
is a ton of repertoire: medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, French dance from
several regions, a whole bunch of other trad stuff, a whole mess of OTHER
music too extensive to list here, and modern compositions like those of
Imbert, Chabenat, Clastrier, Stapleton et al...
OR
2) writing new compositions that either work well or are amazing because
they don't really work well but you manage to play them anyway - here one
also follows somewhat in the footsteps of the above-mentioned giants,
though there are certainly still new directions to go.
Jake, I'm not saying you can't do it, or shouldn't: after all, I have
fantasies of arranging the famous duet from Delibes' "Lakme" for two HG's,
but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It's just that I don't see the point
of taking the HG down a road that isn't particularly suited to its
strengths, and that many other instruments have trodden before, when there
is so much that sounds really cool on the HG but pretty thin on the other
instruments.
With that in mind, I would suggest a CD (and written music) of some common
HG tunes from a variety of sources, played slowly and without any
distracting accompaniment. Cali and I have also been discussing "HG
lessons in installments" on CD. Do either of these ideas sound attractive?
Alden
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:50:58 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Tap tuning of soundboards and braces
Marc said:
>Is there somebody who has experienc whith tuning a hg soundboard?
>because i made some violins to i have some experience whith tuning
>sounboards for a violine but for a HG ???
>I think the soandboard is divided in two by the large hole for the wheel .
>Real soundboard is only the part from wheel to handle
>All the rest is only acoustical amplification because the bridge can not
>make it moving directly but only via the backplate....
>Who agree's ???or not ???
The main issue is that tap tuning, etc, of the free soundboard is pretty
much pointless with the HG as it has been constructed for at least the last
300 years. Violins and the guitar family can benefit from tap tuning
because the soundboard as a whole is glued to the instrument. The guitar's
braces are glued to the inside of the soundboard, and don't extend all the
way out to the edge. The violin has just one "brace", a bass bar, and it
doesn't extend to the edge either. In the HG, the braces are glued into
the body, from edge to edge, and the soundboard is glued down to
them. Then, as Marc points out, the soundboard is divided into 4 sections
by the three braces. So tap-tuning the top when it's free isn't going to
tell you a thing about what the top will sound like when it's glued in place.
Alden
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:59:37 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
In a message dated 11/6/02 12:38:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hurdy _at_ silverlink.net writes:
there
is a ton of repertoire: medieval, Renaissance, Baroque,
French dance from
several regions, a whole bunch of other trad stuff, a whole
mess of OTHER
music too extensive to list here, and modern compositions
like those of
Imbert, Chabenat, Clastrier, Stapleton et al...
I don't see the point
of taking the HG down a road that isn't particularly suited
to its
strengths, and that many other instruments have trodden
before, when there
is so much that sounds really cool on the HG but pretty thin
on the other
instruments.
With that in mind, I would suggest a CD (and written music)
of some common
HG tunes from a variety of sources, played slowly and without
any
distracting accompaniment. Cali and I have also been
discussing "HG
lessons in installments" on CD. Do either of these ideas
sound attractive?
I was trying to come up with a repertoire of familiar light classical
pieces, traditional folk tunes, and a few popular modern melodies that
are familiar to most people in order to make the hurdy gurdy a little
more as a mainstream instrument and help it get more exposure. Your idea
sounds fine also.
I would sign up for the "HG installment lessons."
Thanks to all for responding.
Jake Conte
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:19:32 -0500
From: Keith Owen Richards <richards _at_ vif.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Alden wrote:
"With that in mind, I would suggest a CD (and written music) of some
common HG tunes from a variety of sources, played slowly and without any
distracting accompaniment. Cali and I have also been discussing "HG
lessons in installments" on CD. Do either of these ideas sound
attractive?"
Yes, they both sound appealing and would likely have an audience. The
first would be a particularly good introduction for those of us with a
fledgling interest in the instrument, but who don't know where to begin.
Liner notes with descriptions of the various styles (what's a bouree, how
a scottische works, etc.) would be a crucial addition.
Keith Owen Richards
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:28:26 -0800 (PST)
From: David Smith <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
> With that in mind, I would suggest a CD (and written
> music) of some common
> HG tunes from a variety of sources, played slowly
> and without any
> distracting accompaniment. Cali and I have also
> been discussing "HG
> lessons in installments" on CD. Do either of these
> ideas sound attractive?
>
> Alden
Hi Alden,
Both ideas sound great to me!
Hearing the basic melody line and having the written
music to refer to really help me in both learning a
piece quickly and refreshing my memory if I haven't
played a tune in a while.
HG lessons on CD would also help the many of us who
are learning this wonderful instrument without the aid
of an instructor (I think the Muskett Method Book can
only take you so far, and with all this modern
technology at our fingertips, the Hurdy Gurdy world
really needs to have new method and tune resources).
I would think that video tape instruction would also
be a great aid for the beginner to develop proper hand
and instrument position.
On a related note, the Nyckelharpa player has many of
the same problems as the Hurdy Gurdy player, which is,
how do you learn the techniques and tunes of these
obscure instruments. Rita Leydon has recently put
together an interactive DVD of lessons for the
Nyckelharpa. Perhaps this would be the way to go with
lessons and tunes for the Hurdy Gurdy. You can visit
Rita's site at:
http://www.ritaleydon.com/home.html
Then click on the DVD lessons by "Peter Hedlunds
Nyckelharpskola".
You might also check out the "How to build a
Nyckelharpa" link. There is just out, an English
translation of "How to Construct a Nyckelharpa". And
there is a video on constructing the Nyckelharpa in
the works. Wouldn't it be great to have a video and
construction manual for Hurdy Gurdy!
So, Alden, please go for it! Hurdy Gurdy players and
builders everywhere need your help.
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David Smith
Dearborn, Michigan USA
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:51:16 -0800
From: JulieR <julesong _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
> Alden said:
> With that in mind, I would suggest a CD (and written music) of
> some common
> HG tunes from a variety of sources, played slowly and without any
> distracting accompaniment. Cali and I have also been discussing "HG
> lessons in installments" on CD. Do either of these ideas sound
> attractive?
Absolutely yes on both counts!
--JulieR
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:52:10 -0500
From: Eugene <eugenebienvenue _at_ softhome.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Speaking of renaissance music..
I have a few renaissance tunes for HG and wind instrument (were played on
crumhorn, cornamuse, rakett, shawm, recorders) if anyone's interested.
I transcribed them for my renaissance duo, and played them all over
Europe.
Eugene Bienvenue
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:58:23 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Yes, please, I would love to have any Renaissance tunes you have for
gurdy.
Thanks in advance,
Felicia.
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:27:05 -0500
From: Eugene <eugenebienvenue _at_ softhome.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
I just posted a few of my pieces here:
http://www.geocities.com/ebienvenue/hurdygurdyandwind.htm
Note that the instrument selection is merely a suggestion reflecting how
we played them. Most fall well within the range of recorders, flutes etc.
Enjoy.
Eugene
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:42:12 -0000
From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com
Subject: RE: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Very nice. I'll try them tonight.
Peter.
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:47:28 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Eugene, I get "errors on page" and only the crumhorn, rackette etc, the
bottom part of the page is missing. (I get the opening music)
Graham Whyte
graham _at_ altongate.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:52:32 -0500
From: A.J. Bashore II <noizmkr _at_ dcweblink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project---Longish
Lurking forever here without an HG. I know what I want but of course
will need to come up with a few bucks first. I seem to be playing Mt.
Dulcimer forever along with Mandolin family instruments and sometimes
other things, too. Been playing hard for about 25 years, though music
has been with me in many guises for many more. Most of my life I have
wanted to play anything and everything with drones. Mt. Dulcimer is it
musically so far, though vacuum sweepers and metal grid (singing)
bridges were my earliest favorites. I play my dulcimers in ways
exceeding solely droning playing, yet frequently use them as an
important part of my arrangements.
On the Sweet Music List (about Mt. Dulcimers) we are currently in our
second tape share. I missed the first. List members of varying skills
including very beginners through very advanced make a tape of 15 to 30
minutes of music. A list was compiled by an organizer and folks send
tapes to the next on the list and receive tapes from the previous one.
There are about 38 in the tape share. So far it has taken 14 months to
get about 3/4's of the way through. The delays could be frustrating, but
I have compensated by practicing patience. Other folks lives have just
as many ups and downs as mine, and perhaps even more than mine. If this
would be of an interest to the group I can send introduce the HG list
manager to the organizers of the Dulcimer List Tape Share. The only
drawback I see is the international breadth of the HG list membership,
whereas the Sweet Music List is mainly in the USA.
I use a tabledit (www.tabledit.com) program and am trying out something
that would sound like an HG playing. Please pardon my ignorance, but
what notes and range do the HG drones sound in. I believe one is a "G".
Just by way of explanation, I have made the drone sound on this program
by tying the notes together measure after measure. Then I add the melody
to the line for the melody string.
I like this HG list. Not too many posts. And most are informational and
brief. Any players close to Eastern and Central PA. I live just off
I-80.
In Harmony,
A.J. Bashore II
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:57:20 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
I just went through Eugene's melodies for Recorder/Crumhorn/Shawm and
Hurdy Gurdy. They are perfect for many of us who are attempting to play
duets with other instruments. Most of the melodies are very straidht
forwarree Joan....but what happens,if like me,one doesn't read music ??
Give up learning...or get someone to be your "eyes" and then bung the tunes
on tape/cd/MP3 ??
;-) :-) ;-) etc etc
Does anybody know if hypnotism would get me sight reading? or perhaps some
torture??...maybe kidnap my cat and put some urgency in it all...I dunno ??
Well done Eugene...I'm envious ;-)
Charles
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:09:18 -0500
From: Eugene <eugenebienvenue _at_ softhome.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Thank you all for your kind response.
These tunes have a rich personal history...
I'll tell you about it after the next set, I guess.
There will be a few more coming as soon as I get over this darned cold.
What I can say is that they were forged in love, and that I hope they will
be played in the same spirit.
As to renumeration, some good karma would be greatly appreciated, if anyone
can spare it.
I'll try to get some midi versions up as soon as I can, for those who can't
read music .
On the paranoid side, I have most of these recorded and dated with original
instruments etc. Anyone copying and trying to pass this work off as their
own will find that I have sufficient evidence as to their origination.
So much for good karma...:)
I've been very busy putting together a recording studio, aquiring all the
requisite computer skills, and jump-starting my belated folk/rock
singer/songwriter career to bother flogging this stuff on the open market.
Regarding learning to read music: try falling in love with a rich heiress
who's already in University in music...and who's Machiavellan parents have a
Svengali-like power over her, sending you into a desperate spiral of futile
attempts to win their approval while periodically repairing, healing,
deprogramming the death-blows they deal to your intertwined souls.
It works beautifully!
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:08:58 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Thanks for your generosity Eugene. They will be played with love and I
am sending as much good karma as I can spare. OOOps. Just lost my cool
over the computer gremlins so there might not be as much coming as a
moment ago. ALAS.
As for...
Regarding learning to read music: try falling in love with a rich heiress
who's already in University in music...and who's Machiavellan parents
have a
Svengali-like power over her, sending you into a desperate spiral of
futile
attempts to win their approval while periodically repairing, healing,
deprogramming the death-blows they deal to your intertwined souls.
It works beautifully!
Is this your story? If so, it sounds like the plot of a novel. You
could call it A Hurdy Gurdy to Remember . Howabout A Tale of Two Gurdies
or Desire Under the Hurdy Gurdy or Prodigal Gurdy
or........ [emsmilep.gif]
Joan
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:59:17 +0100
From: Xtof <chriscyb _at_ noos.fr>
Subject: [HG] Over The Water 2002 Festival - a few pictures!
Hello there everyone! :o)
Here is a little link related to the "Over The Water" September 2002
Festival. I took a few pictures at Fort
Flagler and I put them online yesterday.
The URL is: http://www.koolpages.com/fortflag/gallery.html
Of course, as often, the quality has been alterated! I had to convert
the snapshots from "*.tif" into "*.jpg", so that I could be able to
upload them on the account (files with a too important size are refused,
and most of people don't have T2 nor T3, and have difficulties to view
pictures which are larger than 6 Mb...). So, forgive me if the files are
a bit "junky"... :o/
It is only a beginning and I will work on the snapshots individually
when I have more time, trying to compress them with a minimal loss of
quality, and using different coding rates and filters!
Take care and warm hugs to everyone! ;o)
Christophe
_______________________________________
' Carpe diem, dum vivis ! '
chriscyb _at_ noos.fr
pranguli _at_ yahoo.fr
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:15:32 -0500
From: Eugene <eugenebienvenue _at_ softhome.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
Yes....
A ten-year Harlequin romance with yours truly as the beleaguered
hero, and
Greta Garbo as the Mother in Law from hell.
I think it could be a big, BIG hit.
Eugene
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:16:42 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Over The Water 2002 Festival - a few pictures!
Christophe
Thanks a lot for the pictures.
Guess what,I loved the "hammer" strip with
Graham.....:o)
Marcello (still smiling in spite of foggy weather)
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:20:28 +0100
From: Xtof <chriscyb _at_ noos.fr>
Subject: Re: [HG] Over The Water 2002 Festival - a few pictures!
marcello bono a écrit :
> Christophe
>
> Thanks a lot for the pictures.
> Guess what,I loved the "hammer" strip with
> Graham.....:o)
>
> Marcello (still smiling in spite of foggy weather)
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Mio Yahoo!: personalizza Yahoo! come piace a te
> http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.my.yahoo.com/
Ah, Marcello ! Marcello mio !
Sapevo che diresti ciò, cattivo ! ;o)
In English, er... I knew you would say that, naughty Marcello!
We are now waiting for Graham's reaction! ;o)
But please, don't "hammer" the "hurdy-gurdy list" mailbox (bad joke)!
;o)
Xtophe
_______________________________________
' Carpe diem, dum vivis ! '
chriscyb _at_ noos.fr
pranguli _at_ yahoo.fr
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:06:17 -0800
From: Fiddlers <mdfiddler _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Over The Water 2002 Festival - a few pictures!
Thanks! It is good to have more memories!
Marjy
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:25:37 -0000
From: Charles Topham <serendipity.puppets _at_ ntlworld.com>
Subject: Fw: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy project
>
> > Regarding learning to read music: try falling in love with a rich
heiress
> > who's already in University in music...and who's Machiavellan parents
have
> a
> > Svengali-like power over her, sending you into a desperate spiral of
> futile
> > attempts to win their approval while periodically repairing, healing,
> > deprogramming the death-blows they deal to your intertwined souls.
> > It works beautifully!
>
> NAH !! IT'S OK TA ;-)
> NOT ON MY WAGES ANYWAY !? Charles
>
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:05:44 -0800
From: Anna Peekstok <apeekstok _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Over The Water 2002 Festival - a few pictures!
Thanks for posting the photos, Christophe! You're a talented photographer.
BTW, I still have some more photos of the festival for the OTW site, both
mine and others', and hope to get those up SOON (like, this weekend?).
Cheers,
Anna
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:32:19 +0000
From: Anita Spence <anitaspence _at_ macunlimited.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Norwich UK 2003
on 31/10/02 1:34 pm, Frank Vickers at frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Just to announce our Norwich Festival is going ahead.
>
> 31/01/03 to 02/02/03
> The Assembly House, Norwich, UK
>
> We have the Patrick Bouffard Trio plus Anne Lise Foy, hurdy gurdy, bagpipe
> and loads more workshops.
>
> try the web
>
> www.vickhast.demon.co.uk
>
> the click on the N03 button
>
> Frank Vickers
>
>
>
Hello Frank,
I sent you an email the other day saying I hadn't received the leaflets you
had sent...well of course the next day they arrived! So you don't need to
send any more.
Thanks,
Anita Spence
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:44:57 +0100
From: Béatrice Richrath <beatrice.richrath _at_ gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Norwich UK 2003
Hello,
I tried to dind out whether the workshops are included in the full weekend
ticket, but I couldn´t find an answer.
What do you think what we have to pay about for accomodation etc.?
Thanks!
Béatrice from Vienna, Austria
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:25:50 -0000
From: Frank Vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [HG] Norwich UK 2003
Hi Béatrice
Yes workshops are included in the full weekend ticket price.
Accommodation is available from hotels, bed and breakfasts etc... If you go
to the web site www.vickhast.demon.co.uk and click on the link to N03 there
is a link to the Tourism web site for Norwich. They can help with
accommodation advice. But prices start from about 20 pounds sterling per
night for accommodation. You can stay at the University of East Anglia for
35 pounds per person per night.
Frank
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:28:53 -0000
From: sarah <sarah _at_ californiafarm.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] gurdy spotted on TV!
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Our illustrious colleague Mr Graham Whyte was spotted on TV Yesterday
playing his Gurdy
to the nation! Complete with most fetching Doublet and Hose and Mop Cap in a
Lincoln Green
Well done Graham (nice knees!)
Phil and Sarah
California Farm
UK
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:18:31 -0800
From: David Echelard <echelard _at_ hbci.com>
Subject: [HG] New music in minnesota
I was invited to appear in a New Music Festival at The Walker Art Center
in Minneapolis Minnesota, entitled ³The Festival Dancing in your Head².
I will be premiering an original composition for voice and hurdy-gurdy
entitled ³Backwater Potential².
The performance includes some of the best Minnesota new music makers, as
well as, a range of other national guests.
I look forward to exposing the hurdy-gurdy to some new music composers and
and the new music culture in the Midwest of America.
If anyone can make it, I will be performing the piece between 5:30 and 7:00,
along with 2 other multi tracked vocal early/new music compositions.
It is a new music marathon from 4P until 12pm.
David Lee Echelard
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:08:40 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: [HG] Ouch!
You all did see this cute little number on e-bay,
didn't you?
The moral of the story: do not ever, ever SIT on this
instrument!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922809071&ssPageName=ADME
:B:SS:US:1
Judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
Executive Vice President
Traverse Area Association of Realtors
www.taar.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:57:33 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Re: No Subject
Yay, Santa!!!
Congratulations on the new instrument. Have a great time playing-
Felicia.
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:21:31 EST
From: GinaPelleena _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: No Subject
Hi all! :o)
I'm a newbie, and not sure how to use this thing, please excuse me if I
do it wrong, I don't mean to offend anyone by being cheeky and butting
in! <smiles, attempting to be charming!>
I'm after a hurdy gurdy for my hubby. He plays the guitar, and is
desperate for one! I've found a nice man that makes them, so I might
give him a visit - he's sold out at the moment though - God! - those
hurdy gurdy's are getting popular!!
Any newbie advice would be gratefully accepted!
Maxine. x
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:17:38 -0000
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: [HG] Re:
Waaah! He didn't bring me one!
I may sulk.
Enjoy and let us know all about it in detail.
Colin Hill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauwers.P" <Lauwers.P _at_ itc.mil.be>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:03 AM
> Santa came early this year. He brought me my brand new HG yesterday.
> The instrument is made by Jaak Devuyst, Molenstraat 59,1755 Kester,
Belgium
> (+32 54 568039)
> draailieren _at_ belgacom.net <mailto:draailieren _at_ belgacom.net>
>
> I have some pictures of it but no webspace to put them on. If someone is
> interested, please mail me.
>
> Happy as a young boy with a new electric train,
>
>
> Pieter Lauwers
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:36:33 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: No Subject
Maxine, where do you live (country, state?)
Then we could point you in the direction of a known local luthier
Graham
(Old Hampshire, England)
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:34:09 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: [HG] Music for orchestra and HG
Hi list,
as I´m planning a concert with HG and orchestra I´m looking for any music
for HG and orchestra.
Wellknown are of course the Haydn concerti and notturni, Mozart
Bauernhochzeit and the Vivaldi/ Chedeville arrangement of the four
seasons.
I´m grateful for any other hint.
all the best
Petra
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:49:18 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Music for orchestra and HG
Hi Petra
> as I´m planning a concert with HG and orchestra I´m
> looking for any music
> for HG and orchestra.
I think you already know these:
- Concerts by Corrette
- Opus 17th by Naudot
that are for gurdy, two or three string parts and
bass.
Other music with gurdy by W A Mozart:
Minuet K 601 n.2
German dance K 602 n.3
where the gurdy plays just in a short trio section.
In Naples Music Academy there is a manuscript of a
concert for two liras, strings and horns by W A Mozart
but is not so easy to have copy of it.
Several so colled "concerts" by Michel Pignolet de
Monteclair can be played by a gurdy but they are
mostly "sonatas" for several instruments, according to
the level of adaptation of the performers...:o)
Hurdy-gurdy is amongst the instruments quoted by the
author anyway.
You can find a reprint of these "concerts puor la
flute..." in
SPES Edition, archivium musicum 11, Florence
I hope it helps you, all my best
=====
Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:21:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Vincent Ho <hbv _at_ tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Music for orchestra and HG
Petra wrote:
> I´m planning a concert with HG and orchestra I´m looking for any
> music for HG and orchestra.
http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Rep_list/Musette_Repertory_frame.html
Take it from there.
--
Vincent B. Ho hbv _at_ tsoft.com
--
When I dream that you love me, you'll surely forgive;
Extend not your anger to sleep;
For in visions alone your affections can live,--
I rise and it leaves me to weep. George Gordon, Lord Byron (1788-1824)
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:55:13 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Music for orchestra and HG
marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it> wrote:
> Several so colled "concerts" by Michel Pignolet de
> Monteclair can be played by a gurdy but they are
> mostly "sonatas" for several instruments, according
> to
> the level of adaptation of the performers...:o)
I forget to write that is impossible to play these
with the orchestra.....I was wrong I'm sorry
=====
Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:44:13 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: [HG] hello from newcomer
Hello people
I just decided to join this list as I am a new HG player. I fist saw the
Hurdy Gurdy at Glastonbury Festival in England, 1990. This particular HG
was attatched to Nigel Eaton who was in Blowzabella at the time. I was
fascinated, but I didn't get to play one until last year, when I felt an
instant affinity with the instrument. So I ordered a Pimpard-style luteback
HG from Chris Allen, on the strength of the excellence of the roast dinner
he gave me, the frequency of his roll-up smoking and the untidiness of his
workshop in Merthyr Vale and have not regretted my decision for an instant.
This is obviously the way to choose a maker [well he also had an istrument
there for me to play]. I love my HG, especially since I switched to common
garden cotton wool from Boots on the recommendation of Mike Gilpin. It
rocks, and I have a high turnover of downstairs neighbours to prove it,
especially since my wife started joining in on the piano.
But since I am at the beginning of my learning curve, finding a good
repertoire of stuff is tricky. I recently heard a great CD by Le Terminus.
They have a great, clean, chunky sound. Can anyone recommend something
similar?
I am working on something for my website and I will share it with you when
it is ready.
Nice to meet you all; keep cranking
Richard Lewis
rb.lewis _at_ virgin.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:42:55 +1100
From: Earthly Delights music & dance <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: [HG] Any plans to dance to Carols this Christmas?
Dear friends,
Two important pieces of news for everyone wanting to sing, dance and be
merry this Christmas.
* The Christmas Carol Dance Book is looking fabulous and is already
being printed while I type!
Between beautiful full-colour covers are 76 A4 gloss pages of
instructions for 64 dances which John Garden has crafted to fit 63
favourite Christmas songs from the last 600 years - together with full
lyrics, chorded musical notation, historical notes and illustrations.
It is a major achievement (the dances in their style, formation and
figures all echoing the carol's provenance, structure, lyrical
story-line) - a boon for any dance leader at Christmas time and a great
present for anyone.
As it is a limited edition of 400 copies and as 100 have already been
bought in advance, please get in quickly for one of the remainders.
Price is just Aust. $20 (approx. $11 US or 8 U.K. pounds) plus flat
postage fee for any number of copies anywhere in the world of Aust. $10
(approx. $5 US) Pay by credit card to garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au or
via the web-site http://www.earthlydelights.com.au or fax to +61 +2 6281
1098.
We'll post out by airmail in the last week of November.
* On Sunday 15 December the above book will be formally launched at The
Christmas Carol Ball,
which John Garden, the band Earthly Delights, and guests will be
presenting at the grand Albert Hall in Canberra, Australia.
Anyone within reach of Canberra that weekend is very welcome - cost just
Aust. $25 (includes supper & refreshments).
A great night of country dancing is guaranteed. Inquiries phone (02)
62811098.
More information about this Ball is at
http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/upcoming.htm (including press
releases, posters, dress ideas and supper ideas.)
Warmest Regards of the Season,
Aylwen Garden
NB. John Garden plays both the english border pipes and a hurdy-gurdy
– so ALL the tunes are formatted with those instruments in mind:o)
!
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:50:22 -0800 (PST)
From: David Smith <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] HG's for sale
Hi everyone,
Wow, I noticed that there are three decent looking
Hurdy Gurdies for sale on ebay at the moment. Two are
from Germany and one is from England. They will all
ship worldwide. And the prices don't look bad. Here
is a link to the site:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&
SortProperty=MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=hurdy+gurdy
=====
David Smith
Dearborn, Michigan USA
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:38:52 -0500
From: Timothy S. Hall <hallt _at_ louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG's for sale
Does anyone have any experience with the makers of these instruments
(Reichmann, Doyle or Kosera) or the likely quality of the instruments (apart
from the "normal" risks of buying sight unseen on Ebay)?
Best,
Tim
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:30:9 -0800
From: Joanne Andrus <joaand _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] silver hurdy gurdies
Those of you who missed getting your sterling silver hurdy-gurdy (yes,
the crank even turns!) at OTW this year will want to know that more are
now available. Contact Toni Seales at antoniadg _at_ yahoo.com for more
information.
I wear mine a lot, and am always getting comments from people about it.
Joanne
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:45:02 -0800
From: "Roe, Katie" <Katie.Roe _at_ wizards.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] silver hurdy gurdies
For those of you who have not seen these little beauties, they are over
an inch long and are heavy sterling silver. There is plenty of incredible
detail! And yes, the crank does turn.
Katie
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:25:43 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Ouch!
At 07:08 PM 11/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>You all did see this cute little number on e-bay,
>didn't you?
>
>The moral of the story: do not ever, ever SIT on this
>instrument!
Ouch is right!! This is one of those pieces that just screams, "Break me,
break me!"
Alden
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:30:06 +1100
From: Earthly Delights music & dance <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: [HG] Secure Payment Methods for Christmas Carol Dance Book
Dear friends,
For those of you who read our previous message about the new release of
“The Christmas Caros.
As it is a limited edition of 400 copies and as 150 have already been
bought in advance, please get in quickly for one of the remainders.
Price is just Aust. $20 (approx. $11 US or 8 U.K. pounds) plus flat
postage fee for any number of copies anywhere in the world of Aust. $10
(approx. $5 US) Pay via the web-site
http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/orders.htm or fax/phone to +61 +2 6281
1098. We also accept international money orders sent to 87 Schlich
Street, Yarralumla ACT 2600 Australia. We'll post out by airmail in the
first week of December.
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:02:20 +0100
From: Burkhard Müller <BurkhardMueller _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Secure Payment Methods for Christmas Carol Dance Book
Pleas stop this advertise bull****.
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:27:08 -0000
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Secure Payment Methods for Christmas Carol Dance Book
I agree. I have had this same advertisement from several other music lists
to which I belong so I don't think isn't a list member sending it - it's
just spam (I hope).
Just make sure that your objection to this means they have lost a sale!
Perhaps also a complaint e-mail to the site concerned may drop the hint.
Colin Hill
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:07:13 -0500
From: <noizmkr _at_ dcweblink.net>, hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com
Subject: Re: Re: [HG] Secure Payment Methods for Christmas Carol Dance Book
Gentle People,
They sign on and off the various lists I do believe. I have bought their releases
and believe me I find their music very worthwhile, even if, I, also, don't agree
with their marketing practices. I have no financial or otherwise interests in this
enterprise. Please gently educate them in how you perceive their marketing tactics.
They are new at this and mean no harm nor insult. I believe that they don't know
what spam is. They are not a corporate giant, but small folk just like you and I
with long time interests in many areas similar to many of you. I am in infrequent
and friendly contact with them, so I will lodge your concerns with them. Forgive
them, visit their site, see what great music and dance arrangements they have to offer.
In Harmony,
A.J. Bashore II
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:33:57 -0000
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: [HG] Re: Spam (NOT HG related)
Well they do now! I have e-mailed them telling them that this is not the way
to get business as far as I am concerned. (ie cheap advertising with captive
audience) and have asked them to stop it. As I said, I got quite a few of
these and, with a slow connection, they took a while to download (worse for
those who pay by the minute - that's why this e-mail is marked not HG
related). I agree they have a lot to offer, but if they joined the list
personally and dropped the odd hint like "there's a great book out..." it
would be more palatable.
Can we get back to HG's now please.
Colin Hill
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:17:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: [HG] Advertising policy
Dear HG list,
The recent round of "advertising" and the responses to it brings the
following from the listmaster:
Because our community is so small, and the production of books and CD's is
such an undertaking, it's understandable that one should want to alert
friends and fellow players to the completion of a project and the
availability of new resources.
When this blessed event happens, and you would like to share it with the
list, please keep the announcement short and sweet, such as:
=========
We are pleased to announce the release of our new book/CD/DVD/video "The
Hurdy-Gurdy in Middle Earth". For more information, please visit
www.gurdies-by-gimli.com or email us at legolas _at_ middleearth.net.
=========
I've asked Aylwin to abide by this guideline, and I expect everyone else
to do so as well.
Thank you, and now back to our regular programming.
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:42:06 +1100
From: Earthly Delights music & dance <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: [HG] We don't approve of spamming either,
Dear Folks,
I was simply trying to let you know - sorry I didn't word the message
appropriately, I didn't intend to upset anyone. We are not a company, simply
2 people trying to let you know about our release (which incidentally is
being sold at cost-price - no profit to us after 2 yrs of hard work). I felt
that since John played the hurdy gurdy and bagpipes and all the music fitted
well on those instruments that you might be interested. This production is
only available through us - not through any company. I do not approve of
spamming either - I get 50-100 spam messages a day that I resent as well.
My last message was sent in response to someone on another list who sent
their FULL credit card details to the list - very silly.
Warmest Regards and sincere apologies,
Aylwen Garden
John & Aylwen Garden
Amy, Ashby, Aelfric and Alcuin
(02) 6281 1098
87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla ACT 2600 Australia
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:51:30 -0700
From: bbc0 <bbc0 _at_ telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] We don't approve of spamming either,
"We don't believe in spamming either" yet on it goes..................
Barry
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:32:27 +1100
From: Aylwen Garden <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: Re: [HG] We don't approve of spamming either,
Excuse me, but am I the only one who feels that there are some people being
VERY rude on this list? I am also a member of the list (~2 yrs now), I am
also a hurdy gurdy player, I have apologised....
Regards, Aylwen Garden
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:58:30 -0600
From: Louise Craig <lcraig _at_ iname.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] We don't approve of spamming either,
I am new to this list but not to the internet. I have always taken a wait,
watch and listen approach when I am new to something, however I feel I must
at least say that I've found the information posted on this list useful and
interesting.
As a beginner I am eager for information and links to sites that are related
to the Hurdy Gurdy, music and dance and I think Earthly Delights qualifies.
I've seen others post information about books, jewelry, etc, with out any
negative comments following those postings.
I think there are probably more people than not found this interesting and
it's only a few people more prone to make their comments.
As to back to the subject, Hurdy Gurdies, my new Hurdy Gurdy is being
shipped tomorrow so I would like to find some folks in Central Texas (San
Antonio or Austin) area who might be able to help me with my new Hurdy
Gurdy. My only experience with them has been at this years OTW Festival.
Thanks.
Louise Craig
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:08:19 +0000
From: Olivia Mackay <celtic_elves _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] Book Review
Hello. I am new to this list. In light of a few past messages i felt I had
to write - I came to this list because I found a link to it on the Earthly
Delights link page, and I have also bought their Christmas Carol Dance Book.
John and Aylwen are two very lovely gentle people, they run a band, organise
dances and write these books from their home, whilst bringing up four lovely
children, one of whom has a disability., aged 18mths - 11yrs. I am amazed at
what these two do , and most of it simply for the love of it, and I'm also
amazed that both John and Aylwen play the hurdy gurdy and that their 11 yr
old daughter also plays her own "smaller" hurdy gurdy.
I do not mind their messages - there is no other way I would have found out
about this lovely book - I received it today and it is absolutely marvellous
- worth more than I paid!
Olivia.
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:18:27 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: [HG] Changing the subject....
Louise, congratulations! You were doing well at OTW, and
I know you will enjoy your new instrument.
I too have enjoyed the ED folks, their tunes and recordings.And I've been
on lots of lists, and I know that every once in a while they have
acrimonious discussions in which they try to re-invent themselves.
The salvation of it is in respecting the wishes of His Benevolence,
Alden the Listmaster: abandon this tiresome and self-indulgent
debate, and move on....
I for one am working on some ancient Christmas carols which
I will play on December 8 with recorder and hammered dulcimer. What's
everyone else doing for the season?
judith
Judith Lindenau
www.taar.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:49:16 -0600
From: Arrigo D' Albert <arrigo _at_ mcn.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG's for sale
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Smith" <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:50 AM
Subject: [HG] HG's for sale
> Hi everyone,
> Wow, I noticed that there are three decent looking
> Hurdy Gurdies for sale on ebay at the moment. Two are
> from Germany and one is from England. They will all
> ship worldwide. And the prices don't look bad. Here
> is a link to the site:
>
>
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&SortPrope
rty=MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=hurdy+gurdy
>
> =====
> David Smith
> Dearborn, Michigan USA
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:08:46 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
In a message dated 11/26/2002 7:26:05 PM Central Standard Time,
judith _at_ taar.com writes:
<< for one am working on some ancient Christmas carols which
I will play on December 8 with recorder and hammered dulcimer. What's
everyone else doing for the season? >>
I'm playing madrigal dinners and the Louisiana Renaissance Festival with
puppetry and hurdy-gurdy, which is giving me plenty of practice, like maybe 4
hours a day, every weekend for six weekends plus some extra days. I know
buckets of ancient
Christmas music on hurdy-gurdy, besides the medieval and renaissance dances
that are appropriate to this venue. Difficulties seem to include playing an
hour straight, then doing a puppet show only to find I've worn the cotton too
thin for it to play well through the puppet show. Is there an answer for
this? I do not know where to get the best long-fiber cotton. Anybody?
Alice
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:17:37 -0500
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
Sacrilege perhaps, but if you are using G (Baroque) tuning on a
regular instrument, you could just use one chanterelle, and switch to
the unused unison melody string when it's time for the puppet show.
(Unless you're using a Minstrel gurdy of course).
John Roberts.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:36:21 +0000
From: Dave Holland <dave _at_ biff.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:18:27PM -0500, Judith Lindenau wrote:
> I for one am working on some ancient Christmas carols which
> I will play on December 8 with recorder and hammered dulcimer. What's
> everyone else doing for the season?
Next week I'm in a scratch band for a dance club's Christmas party
(though I'm playing piano, not HG, unfortunately). We've arranged some
Christmas songs and carols to go with some of the dances as a bit of a
surprise for the dancers. So, imagine if you will, dancing Levi Jackson
to the tune "Frosty the Snowman", and Bucksaw Reel to "Good King
Wenceslas"!
Dave
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:37:15 -0000
From: Frank Vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [HG] Changing the subject....
Sounds fun Dave
Did you know that the tune to ding dong merrily on high is acutally an old
French branle? Simple to play on the gurdy too.
Frank
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:20:05 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Ding Dong
I know it as "Branle Officiel" and have played it on the hg and drum in
Church, at Chrismas services with a choir
It works well with the hg and drum playing the first section solo once
before each choral verse.
You could also look at "Good king Wenceslas" also I believe a very old dance
tune
I play it in a dotted rhythm like 6/8
dah-de dah-de | dah-de dah | dah-de dah-de | dah dah |
People don't recognise it instantly "I'm sure I know that tune"
I can do a pdf or abc if anyone wants
Graham Whyte
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:41:19 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>, Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: Funny tune contexts (Was Re: [HG] Ding Dong)
Speaking of which, I went to hear the Hungarian band Szaszcsavas
(mispronounced as something like "Sausages" [vs. "sauce-cha-vash", more or
less] by the announcer). Towards the end of their concert they did the theme
song from Dallas (extremely popular in Hungary!) and if you looked around at
the audience you could see people tapping their feet and looking perplexed
as they tried to figure what it was they were hearing that was so familiar.
Even when I told some people what it was they couldn't remember the show
well enough to hum the tune and had to take my word for it.
A little later they did Old Susannah, but played Hungarian "nota" style it
again was a little while before anyone recognized it. One Hungarian friend
simply didn't know the tune at all, and when I asked him if he knew what was
being played he responded "I think it's the German anthem", which got quite
a laugh from those of us who heard him...
And while I'm at funny stories, I saw the Swedish group Vasen that same
night. They use nyckelharpa, which really sounds nothing like HG, despite
the superficial similarities. After an hour of non-stop Polskas (which are
not polkas) my wife and I left and as the crowd was dispersing we heard one
fellow turn to his companions and say "man, I didn't know I liked polka".
-Arle
Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk> scripsit
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:01:44 EST
From: RJNA _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Cotton
Have you tried spinning/weaving supply stores? I know there are people
who spin cotton and they like the long staple varieties. Last year I
bought some dried cotton plants and I've been using that cotton, it's
clean and non-processed. I don't know if that makes any difference, but
I just like the feel of it.
Rebecca Arkenberg
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:16:29 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Cotton
Thanks, Rebecca. There are no such stores here, but maybe online.... But
since I have nobody here or within reach who plays, just for curiosity's
sake, how long is one supposed to expect the cotton to last if one plays
continuously?
Alice
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:45:29 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cotton
--- HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com wrote:
> how long is one supposed to expect the cotton
> to last if one plays
> continuously?
Forget "how long does it last" and change the cotton
when "the sound is not so clean", that is just before
"the keybord is not so righ".
Sometimes it lasts 5 seconds, sometimes 5 hours, it
depends on several things, but at the end the gurdy is
a musical instrument so mind about the sound :o)
=====
Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:05:59 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
In a message dated 11/26/2002 10:20:19 PM Central Standard Time,
anglo _at_ albany.net writes:
<< Sacrilege perhaps, but if you are using G (Baroque) tuning on a
regular instrument, you could just use one chanterelle, and switch to
the unused unison melody string when it's time for the puppet show. >>
Actually, the melody ones stay true, but the drones gradually fade away.
Alice
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:06:52 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Ding Dong
If anyone wants a list of some potential h-g carols, many available in the
Oxford Book of Carols:
Angelus ad Virginem (14th cent.)
Boar's Head Carol
Branle d'Officiale (previously mentioned; Praetorius, I think)
Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isabella
Come My Children Dere (personal fave)
Coventry Carol
Deck the Halls
First Noel
Gloucestershire Wassail (Wassail, Wassail, All Over the Town)
Good King Wenceslas (previously mentioned, aka "Gentle Mary Laid Her
Child")
Hark, the Herald Angels
Holly and the Ivy
In Dulci Jubilo (Good Christian Men, Rejoice)
I Saw Three Ships Come Sailing In
Joseph, Lieber, Joseph, Mein
The King (not technically Xmas, but mentions Twelfthtide and Old
Christmas)
Lo, How a Rose E'er Blooming (Es ist ein Ros' Entsprungen)
Lord of the Dance
O, Come, O, Come, Emmanuel (Advent)
O, Tannebaum
Patapan (personal favorite)
Riu Riu Chiu
Song of the Ass
Wexford Carol
Would be glad to hear of any others. I realize that many of us can play just
about any tune on h-g, but some seem a lot better suited to drone playing.
Alice
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:30:32 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Ding Dong
"If anyone wants a list of some potential h-g carols, many available in the
Oxford Book of Carols....
Would be glad to hear of any others. I realize that many of us can play just
about any tune on h-g, but some seem a lot better suited to drone playing.
Alice"
In light of the recent acrimony, I won't tell you who on this list has
published a
wonderful book of Christmas music for the hurdy gurdy, collected in
sections according to drones.
Nope, I'm not even gonna mention her name. But it sure is a nice collection.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:34:15 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] HG playable carols
Judith,
I just read my mail having come straight from a couple of hours playing from
that very same book
hint: red cover, author has strong OTW connections
I agree, it is a wonderful source
I found another way to play the last (A minor) section on a G/C gurdy
without tightening any strings
Tune the chanter(s) down a whole tone (step) from G to F
This means you can use the gros boudon, mouche and trompette without
re-tuning them
You actually end up playing in G minor with A minor fingering (no top row
keys needed)
Its a little difficult to tune with only 2 hands.
I put a paper grip (little black spring clip with 2 shiny folding wire
handles) on the end of the A key shaft nearest the player after pressing the
key my normal amount.
This holds the key depressed and allows you to tune the chanter(s) to a G
which is easy
Take off the clip and enjoy
Using the same clip helps a lot when setting tangents to get both chanters
in tune together
Graham Whyte
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:30:49 -0800
From: Pat Nelson <pjs3ds _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
I also will be playing some ancient Christmas carols on hammer dulcimer with
another HD player. We play at a Winter Fest on the 8th and for a private
party on the 9th. Judith, I would guess you are using Maggie Sansome's book
for some of your tunes? If not email me and I'll give you details about it.
I like to play a tar with some of the carols.
Also, I'm playing drums and percussion with Batucada Yemanja, a seven piece
Brazilian ensemble. I want to use my hurdy gurdy on some of the folkloric
songs we do, but that will have to be in the near future.
Apparently, the hurdy gurdy has been traditionally used with some forro
melodies from Brazil. I think it would sound great with all the percussion -
and it could add to it. Well, mine won't be doing any fancy buzzing, but it
sure would sound neat in there.
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
Pat
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:34:25 -0800
From: "Roe, Katie" <Katie.Roe _at_ wizards.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Changing the subject....
Hi Alice,
Look for a spinning or weaving shop. We found one in Seattle and bought
lots of different kinds of fibers to experiment with. We have tried
different cottons, silks, linens, flax/cotton mix and even camel down.
You might find a cotton/silk blend will work better. The fibers tend to
be long and it seems to last a long time. You just need to experiment. If
you try any animal fibers be sure they are "super washed." They must be
oil free. The shop staff should be able to tell you if the fibers are
oil-free. The fun thing is you don't spend much. We bought handfulls of
about a dozen fiber types and it cost only a couple of dollars.
We have been experimenting with historic fibers, since cotton would have
been unavailable or extremely expensive during the Middle Ages. Linen or
flax would have been available as well as wool. We have found that some
fibers don't work well and others are great on one string, but not on
another. I had a G trompett that loved the flax/cotton blend, but the
other strings didn't like it. One of these days I am going to try my
dogs' hair. I have Bichons and their hair is extremely soft and fine. Of
course I'll have to bathe them first. ;-)
Good luck!
Katie Roe
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:25:56 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Forro
Richard Lewis
Retail Reporter
The Bookseller
www.theBookseller.com
richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
020 7420 6113
"Apparently, the hurdy gurdy has been traditionally used with some forro
melodies from Brazil. I think it would sound great with all the percussion
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and it could add to it. Well, mine won't be doing any fancy buzzing, but
it
sure would sound neat in there."
sure would, Pat. Do you have any recordings of HG forró?
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:49:53 -0500
From: Tobie Miller <recorderist _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
>>What's
>>everyone else doing for the season?
>>
>>judith
Playing about 5 gazillion concerts.... recorder, singing, and hg too! And
preparing my recital for January... grrr. Not so seasonal I guess. I'll
celebrate Jan. 14th when everything's over.
Tobie
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:39:04 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
Hi, Alice-
I play a volksgurdy and my favorite cotton is cosmetic cotton that you
can buy by the bag at drug stores. It took me a couple of tries before I
found a bag that had mostly knot-free balls but at $1 a bag I didn't
mind! You might also try using a slightly softer rosin, if the climate
allows, though for acoustic performance a harder rosin gives more
projection...
Good luck and have a wonderful season!
Felicia.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:42:02 -0800
From: Anna Peekstok <apeekstok _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
On 11/27/02 7:05 AM, HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com wrote:
> Actually, the melody ones stay true, but the drones gradually fade away.
This away makes me wonder if your problem is rosin instead of cotton. As the
rosin gets worn off, the volume diminishes. I would try adding rosin when
the drones start fading and see if that helps before messing with cotton --
on my two gurdies, drone cotton lasts through many gigs before needing
attention.
The usual indicator for me that my cotton needs changing is an unstable or
unpleasant tone, not a decrease in volume.
As for long-wearing fibers, I used silk for a while and it wore like iron.
It produced a loud, hard, bright tone and pretty much never wore out.
However, it was a bit difficult to remove when I decided to go back to
cotton for a warmer sound.
Cheers,
Anna
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:43:02 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
Thanks, Felicia, I will look for a knot-free bag.
Alice
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:53:04 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Ding Dong & seasonal nonsense
Hi, guys-
What am I doing with my gurdy for the season? About a dozen performances
in the Pacific Northwest with Magical Strings. It's always an
interesting experience and this year the music is particularly nice.
It's billed as a Celtic Yuletide Concert and our friends have been doing
it for 24 years now.
This year I get to play gurdy on a lot of stuff-
One set starts with a gorgeous Mongolian air then goes to a Galician tune
(which is wonderful but A BEAR to play and goes really %*O$^& fast) and
ends with a Hanter Dro from the Big Green Book, thankfully played at a
more relaxed pace.
I get to back a few Irish reels with gurdy (trompette tuned to d and just
bits of the tune played on chanters), accompany various seasonal songs
(Joy to the World with Loftus Jones) and generally do my part to cause
mayhem with hurdy gurdy. I also get to sing in Gaelic (sp? again???)
phonetically, of course- no idea what it all means but it's really
pretty.
Wish me luck- we've been practicing a ton but that Galicien (sp?) tune is
resisting arrest... I'm expecting a train-wreck. Oh, well. About the
last show or so I'll have it down! I hope!
If anyone in the area would like to come and be sympathetic to the lack
of time to tune between songs please email me privately and I'll direct
you to our website. I would also be happy to send music to folks if they
like. Our friends come up with some absolutely wonderful music and I'd
love to share it with folks.
Hope this letter meets with our listmaster's approval...
Felicia.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:58:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cotton
Alice -
> Thanks, Rebecca. There are no such stores here, but maybe online....
The quantities you want are quite small relative to a weaver's needs. An
ounce or even a half-ounce will last you a LONG time. (If it doesn't,
good for you - it means you've been playing a LOT.)
Cali and I sell cotton, though I use the term "sell" loosely - we charge a
nominal $1.00 for about a half-ounce, plus a bit for postage. For our
overseas friends, if cotton is all that is needed, we just put it in an
envelope and ask for some cool postcards in return, since going down to
Barclay's for a $3.50 money order will cost more than the money order
itself.
Our favorite cotton is fox fiber, which is a naturally short fiber cotton.
I find it's easier to use than the long stuff. Some people really prefer
the long fibers - to each their own. As Marcello said, change your
cotton often! If the vielle doesn't sound right, change the cotton first
thing, and try it several times before you move on to other solutions.
Alden
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:01:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: [HG] Ding Dong
Judith -
> Nope, I'm not even gonna mention her name. But it sure is a nice collection.
Perhaps you could just give us her email address... ;-)
Alden
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:16:14 +0000
From: Matthew Williams <mattwill75 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Ding Dong
I'll find myself playing the Ding Dong tune for people to dance the
Branle to at a wedding reception in a couple of weeks time.
Alice suggested it was by Praetorius, but my learned wife tells me the
tune actually appears in Arbeau's Orchesography (dance manual) which was
first published in 1589. As we all know [emwink.gif] , Michael
Praetorius's only collection of French dance tunes came out in 1612, and
anyway he was German so it seem unlikely it was one of his.
Thankfully it's not necessary to know all this to enjoy playing (or
dancing) it!
Matthew Williams
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:58:52 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: retuning, scales, fingering; was: Re: [HG] HG playable carols
Graham Whyte wrote:
> I found another way to play the last (A minor) section on a G/C gurdy
> without tightening any strings
> Tune the chanter(s) down a whole tone (step) from G to F
> This means you can use the gros boudon, mouche and trompette without
> re-tuning them
> You actually end up playing in G minor with A minor fingering (no top row
> keys needed)
> Its a little difficult to tune with only 2 hands.
The F is easy to tune if you tune it towards a C drone or trompette. so
tune the C drone to the G chanter first than retune the chanter down to
F against the C drone.
Another easy minor scales are D minor and D dorian which can be played
without any retuning of the chanters and together with the trompette
tuned to D.
comment about the first version:
a problem that occures in this case is the fact that if your instrument
is tuned to G and C scales, the intonation of the scale starting on the
first diatonic key (A minor, in this special case G minor) is rather
awkward with a very bad third and fifth.
and a general comment:
The question if one considers scales without top row keys to be easier
played depends on ones general knowledge on fingerings. In many cases as
not to say in general the integration of top row keys makes fingering
easier. In simple words: C minor is _easier_ than A minor. In fact of
all usuall scales playing C major fluently is maybe the hardest task on
the hurdy-gurdy.
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:08:05 -0800
From: JulieR <julesong _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: [HG] Celtic Yuletide
When and where are the performances, Felicia? :) Would love to see your
HG in action with the season! If there's an URL with the listing, that'd
be great.
--JulieR
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:15:25 +1100
From: Aylwen Garden <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: [HG] Two hurdy gurdy bands
Will be playing at the Albert Hall, Canberra, Australia on Sunday 15
December - Sydney band "Wayward" and Canberra band "Earthly Delights". For
more information see http://www.earthlydelights.com.au
Regards, Aylwen Garden
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:19:10 -0800
From: "Roe, Katie" <Katie.Roe _at_ wizards.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Celtic Yuletide
Felicia's site is:
http://members.aol.com/Pintndale/
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:29:34 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Changing the subject....
Thanks so much, Anna.
Alice
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:49:18 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: AW: [HG] HG's for sale
Hi again,
to avoid misunderstandings: of course my judgement was a very personal point
of view.
At the end everyone has to try and judge himself.
Petra
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:16:03 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
From Graham Whyte
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
> The F is easy to tune if you tune it towards a C drone or trompette. so
> tune the C drone to the G chanter first than retune the chanter down to
> F against the C drone.
Thank you for this trick
> Another easy minor scales are D minor and D dorian which can be played
> without any retuning of the chanters and together with the trompette
> tuned to D.
Yes but one has to retune the drones, mouche up to a from g, petit boudon up
to D from C
> a problem that occures in this case is the fact that if your instrument
> is tuned to G and C scales, the intonation of the scale starting on the
> first diatonic key (A minor, in this special case G minor) is rather
> awkward with a very bad third and fifth.
Surely this only applies if the gurdy is not set for Equal Temperament,
Sadly, the vast majority are in Equal Temperament
I use Just Temperament and you are quite correct
My A minor third is 294 cents instead of 315
My A perfect fifth is 680 instead of 702
> The question if one considers scales without top row keys to be easier
> played depends on ones general knowledge on fingerings. In many cases as
> not to say in general the integration of top row keys makes fingering
> easier.
Please explain more, for most of us, the difficulty increases as the square
of the number of top row keys !!
>playing C major fluently is maybe the hardest task on
> the hurdy-gurdy.
I don't understand this at all !!
Do you have fingering recommendations for commonly used keys ?
Many Thanks
Graham Whyte
graham _at_ altongate.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:21:41 -0500
From: Alison Gowan <acgowan _at_ cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Ding Dong & seasonal nonsense
What's the Big Green Book, and where does one find it?
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:01:40 -0800
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Ding Dong & seasonal nonsense
Perhaps the Oxford "Carols for Choirs" which comes in
three books of different colours
Carols for Choirs 1 Green Book ISBN 019 353222 0
Carols for Choirs 2 Orange Book ISBN 019 353565 3
Carols for Choirs 3 Blue Book ISBN 01935370 X
Graham Whyte
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:16:40 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
Hello,
Simon Wascher wrote:
> > The question if one considers scales without top row keys to be easier
> > played depends on ones general knowledge on fingerings. In many cases as
> > not to say in general the integration of top row keys makes fingering
> > easier.
Graham Whyte wrote:
> Please explain more, for most of us, the difficulty increases as the square
> of the number of top row keys !!
Simon Wascher wrote:
> >playing C major fluently is maybe the hardest task on
> > the hurdy-gurdy.
Graham Whyte wrote:
> I don't understand this at all !!
>
> Do you have fingering recommendations for commonly used keys ?
my first answer is: come to one of my classes ;-)
the principle is very simple:
if one plays more than four keys in a row one 'runs out of fingers' if
one 'jumps' the gap is hearable - the open string sounds. The movement
of the hand which 'closes' this gap is a bit of a far eastern yogaish
one. Any top row key will make this move much more handsome as it
increases the space for the pinky to pass by:
Here as an example a fingering for a D major scale on the G string (in
abc):
X:1
M:4/4
L:1/4
K:D
ABcd | efga | bc'd'e' |
w:4 3 1 4 3 1 4 3 2 1 4 3
so, now I have to leave for the french session.
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:25:47 -0500
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net>
Subject: [HG] Big Green Book
No, no, no. The Big Green Book is BIG. It's Polig Monjarret's Toniou Breiz-Izel,
Musique Populaire de Basse Bretagne, folk music of Western Brittany (which might
explain why it needs a catchy English title). 600 pages and almost 2400 tunes.
I got mine from Dusty Strings in Seattle.
John Roberts.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:19:50 -0500
From: Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] HG's for sale
Hi all, and Happy Thanksgiving to those in the USA--
Thanks Petra, for your comments--but is the eBay Reichmann a kit,
assembled by someone else? i haven't gone to eBay to see them (i will
shortly) but I was under the impression that Reichmann, assuming we mean
Kurt, is builder of quality instruments (and that he didn't make kits-i
could be mistaken!). Just curious!
best wishes,
Vlad
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:33:58 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Celtic Yuletide
Hi!
Here's our website address:
www.pintndale.com
There should be complete gig listings there for your perusal. If not,
please email me and I'll send you the dates/times/etc.
Hope you can make it to one of the concerts. Do come up and say hi if
you do.
Have a great Thanksgiving-
Felicia.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:35:07 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Celtic Yuletide
Thanks! You are very helpful. I think people can also access the site
by doing just
www.pintndale.com
Have a great Thanksgiving-
Felicia.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:38:26 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Big Green Book
Yes, that's the one I meant! I can never find it when I want it...
Felicia.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:44:35 EST
From: Cruikshank44 _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Whoops, again, as usual...
I'm not doing this mail thing right. I didn't mean to send you all
multiple messages about our website! Many apologies...
Felicia.
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:33:29 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: AW: AW: [HG] HG's for sale
Hi Vlad,
as far as I know Kurt Reichmann doesn`t make kits, right.
Concerning the quality of his instruments: we´re apparently not of the same
opinion. But that`s natural: some like Coca Cola others not. No problem.
Just as I already told before: at the end everyone has to judge himself
after having tried several instruments.
If you like Kurt Reichmanns instruments you (and others, too) can buy them,
of course. Just I (and maybe others, too) wouldn`t.
I hope good old Reichmann won`t kill me, because of what I`m writing here.
(His wife Natalia Issupow already gave me a reprimand, because of my mail).
But Kurt knows my opinion.
Peace!!!
all the best
and for all of course happy thanksgiving
Petra
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:27:32 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [HG] HG's for sale
Hello,
questions to a mailing list about the quality of a certain makers output
are a very hazardous thing. If you get a serious answer it will always
harm the social relations, a mailing list is a kind of public and its
written public. We are talking about people in our social neighbourhood
whom we will come accross for many years in the future.
So on the one hand if someone gives you serious answers take it very
serious, the answer is given under the knowledge that it will reach all
parts. Any answer represents still only a personal oppinion but any open
word shows a very courageous heart and a strong oppinion.
So we must be greatfull for any clear word, and in general accept that
no answer or a very diplomatic one is the strongest info we can expect.
With instrument making its all about money so its even more serious. So
lets read between the lines and not push the questions to far.
On buying instruments, take all the hints about quality which were
discussed on this list in the past very serious, and bear in mind too
all the general problems with online-shopping and the problems with
internet auctions in special.
regards
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:37:55 -0500
From: Alison Gowan <acgowan _at_ cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Big Green Book
wonderful thank you! i will contact them!
cheers, alison
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:07:12 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
--- Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk> wrote:
> The question if one considers scales without top
> row keys to be easier
> > played depends on ones general knowledge on
> fingerings. In many cases as
> > not to say in general the integration of top row
> keys makes fingering
> > easier.
> Please explain more, for most of us, the difficulty
> increases as the square
> of the number of top row keys !!
>
> >playing C major fluently is maybe the hardest task
> on
> > the hurdy-gurdy.
> I don't understand this at all !!
GRAHAM GRAHAM!!! we spent some time in Alden and
Cali's house working on this subject....:o)
I'm not a good teacher, I'm going to drink some poison
.....farewell....
=====
Marcello Bono
Bologna-Italy
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:41:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] RE: New gurdy
--- Louise Craig <lcraig _at_ iname.com> wrote:
> I think there are probably more people than not found this
> interesting and
> it's only a few people more prone to make their comments.
(My only problem with it is how slow it loads.)
>
> As to back to the subject, Hurdy Gurdies, my new Hurdy Gurdy is being
> shipped tomorrow
EXCEELENT!!!!
> ... so I would like to find some folks in Central Texas
> (San
> Antonio or Austin) area who might be able to help me with my new
> Hurdy
> Gurdy. My only experience with them has been at this years OTW
> Festival.
I'm near Ft. Worth, and available most weekends. I know of a couple of
folks in your immediate area, but I can't volunteer for them. Contact
me offlist if you want set up a meeting.
Roy Trotter
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:36:32 +0000
From: David <david.bawden _at_ btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
>Graham Whyte wrote:
>> I don't understand this at all !!
>>
>> Do you have fingering recommendations for commonly used keys ?
Laurent Bitaud's excellent book of exercises for the hurdy gurdy 'Doigtes et
Virtuosite' has lots of exercises moving up and down the keyboard with
fingering shown.
For scales the fingerings he gives for a run up and a run down of one octave
are:
D/G hurdy-gurdy G/C
G maj C maj 1234 1234 4321 4321
E minor A min 1234 1234 4321 4321
D Maj G maj 0123 4234 4321 3210
A maj Dmaj 1234 1234 4321 4321
F# minor B min 3423 4343 3434 3243
E maj A maj 2342 3434 4324 3432
G minor C min 2342 3434 4321 4321
(where 0 is the open string, and 1 the little finger)
Some of these involve a jump between each block of four notes, but others
require the contortions SImon mentioned. It helps to have double-jointed
fingures!
David
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:27:16 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
David wrote:
> Laurent Bitaud's excellent book of exercises for the hurdy gurdy 'Doigtes et
> Virtuosite' has lots of exercises moving up and down the keyboard with
> fingering shown.
(..)
> (where 0 is the open string, and 1 the little finger)
so, that is the other way arround to what is common here:
in my example 1 is the index and 4 is the little finger, D for the
thumb.
Some people use keyboard finger-names 1 for the thumb and 5 for the
little finger.
Is there any official way used in teaching at for example the
Conservatoire in France ?
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:49:57 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: AW: [HG] Re: retuning, scales and fingering
Hi Simon,
of course I didn`t study at the conservatoire in France, but I often saw
Laurents system at workshops, in books...in France.
I suppose it`s (rather) usual over there.
But what say the french people?
regards, Petra
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:48:08 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] Re: scales and fingering
Hello,
> David wrote:
> > Laurent Bitaud's excellent book of exercises for the hurdy gurdy 'Doigtes
Simon Wascher wrote:
> Is there any official way used in teaching at for example the
> Conservatoire in France ?
Petra Kuehmichel wrote:
> of course I didn`t study at the conservatoire in France, but I often saw
> Laurents system at workshops, in books...in France.
> I suppose it`s (rather) usual over there.
> But what say the french people?
I just now took a look into some books and methodes I own:
o the 'Methode' de Michel Corrette
o Andre Dubois (from the seventies?)
o Valentin Clastrier in his transcriptions of the 1987 LP
o Szerenyi Bela in 'A Hagyomanyos Magyar Tekerömuzsika'
o Gilles Chabenat in 'Musiquee pour la Vielle a Roue'
o Barbara Behringer (Grimm) in her 'Schule fuer Drehleier'
*all* use the 'index finger = 1 version'
I could not find my copy of the Bouin method (is the person
whom I gave it on the list ?;-) ) My Delfino/Loibner one is with a
student of mine...
So maybe others could volunteer in looking up methods and books to
get an idea about the occurrance of certain methods of numbering the
fingers.
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:00:47 -0500
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] Re: scales and fingering
The Michèle Fromenteau/Guy Casteuble duet books use the pinky = 1,
index = 4, convention; "P" for thumb. They say: "Starting from the
principle that the numbering of the fingers normally follows rising
scales, we think it is logical to adopt (and here we would like to
see standardization)"
Muskett uses what _I_ consider standard, index = 1.
John Roberts.
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:00:55 +0100
From: Matthias Loibner <numbernine _at_ gmx.net>
Subject: Re[2]: AW: [HG] Re: scales and fingering
dear friends,
i did join the list a while ago, just reading, but the scales and
fingering issue concerns my interests.
just a brief introduction:
I play the vielle for about 12 years, using a weichselbaumer alto and
a weichselbaumer louvet-copy to play folk, so called jazz, my own
music and baroque music with ensembles like deishovida, sandy Lopicic
orkestar, le concert spirituel, les eclairs de musique and les
musicien baroque de limoges. I wrote a hurdy-gurdy method together
with Riccardo Delfino (mentioned by Petra in her last mail)
We (Riccardo and me) did think a lot about how to indicate the fingers
in music for the vielle. So, despite there may be a lot of players
coming from the piano, the guitar or another string instrument are
used to different notations we don't think it's useful to follow any
of these conventions and the vielle deserves it's own standard.
We did use the index = 1, pinky = 4, thumb = D(P,T) Daumen, pouce,
thumb or whatever.
The reasons for this decision was, apart from what we have found in
other methods,
- the thumb has a very particular role, different from the other
fingers (just for upper keys, wide ranges) and should therefore not be
integrated in the number-notation and should be marked as "special" in
scores
- the index is the strongest finger and the most "common" finger to
touch or point at something, so it is also the most flexible and
fastest finger, also in the sense of a fast connection from the brain
to the finger.
- to use a lower number for a lower pitch (as it is common for the
guitar, violin etc.(all these instruments use index = 1)) did not make
too much sense to us since keyboard-instruments use different
notations for the right and left hand in this sense.
well, there seemed to be more reasons in my memory, but this is all I
can remember (we published our method in 97).
love to all,
Matthias
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