Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - May 2001Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer. The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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= = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:58:21 +1000 From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_ tpg.com.au> Subject: [HG] Symphony I have been told that a popular woodwork magazine recently published a "How to make" article on the Symphony or hurdy Gurdy. Does anyone recall those articles and if so could they give me the references please. Many thanks Brian, from Cooranbong in Australia = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:39:18 +0100 From: arthur nichols <arthur _at_ anichols.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony Hi Brian Practical Woodworking had the first article of a four part project in the Dec 2000 issue. The author was Stuart Raymond, I was not very impressed with the first part so did not buy the others. The wheel shaft was a bare screw thread which had a threaded portion jutting out into the path that the wrist takes when turning the handle, this I thought was dangerous , I wrote to the editor and said so. Possibly it would be an OK project if you applied sound engineering practices to the construction. Arthur Nichols Wolverhampton UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:15:05 +0100 From: J&A Turner <atthings _at_ lineone.net> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony As a woodworker of considerable experience I can concur that the articles in Practical Woodworker are usually of a very dubious quality.. As they pay such low rates for articles proffessionals are not interested in writing for the publication. Therefore the articles are usually not how to make an article .. whatever it is but " How I found out about making a hurdy gurdy and wrote an article about it" Makes you shudder.. Adrian Turner.. Cabinet maker and Luthier www.hudson83-freeserve-co-uk.freeserve.co.uk = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:02:03 -0700 From: george.swallow <george.swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony I do not agree that the articles in Practical Woodworking are "usually dubious" (Adrian Turner) but I do agree that the hurdy gurdy recently described therein would leave most members of this group unsatisfied. A real symphonie was described in the same magazine in April 1990 and I still have the articles, but it is just like a box and diatonic as well. However authentic this might be, it may be of limited interest except as a stepping stone to greater things. Almost all of the material on making musical instruments of all kinds has been written by amateurs, from Heron-Allen onwards, some of it of doubtful value, but it has still over the years filled an aching need. Obviously professionals have their living to earn, and we cannot expect them to bestow their knowledge and experience so freely. But it does happen, and I refer everyone to http://www.gerbeth.at where you can find detailed instructions on making a violin bow, gratis and for nothing. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:55:24 +0100 From: J&A Turner <atthings _at_ lineone.net> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony I maintain as a very experienced proffessional that the articlas in Practical Woodworker are always dubious and the fact that you only have enough expertise to recognise that the hurdy gurdy one was is understandable but not excusable .. A. T. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:34:09 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony Probably no one there (at the magazine) meant any harm, but we as a defined group want to keep up the public's image of the hurdy gurdy. Not to let it go by too easily if a design or picture wouldn't really work well as a fine musical instrument, we set higher minimum standarts for approval. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:37:57 +1000 From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_ tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and practical wood worker OK guys i have got the message. I do not think i will bother. I am an Early music maker (strictly amateur) and have made a number of EM instruments. As far as my research goes there is very little evidence that i can find of what there actually is inside the symphony box of medieval times. Have any of you guys turned up more detailed information on it? Brian, from Cooranbong in Australia Web Site http://bobrian.australia.webjump.com/index.htm Mostly about lace bobbin history and other various "needlework" tools (like tatting shuttles, lucets, crochet hooks, drop spindles) It also includes some pages on Spinning Tops. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:30:02 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and practical wood worker I didn't mean to be speaking for everyone. Hope my thoughts were ok. Just me writing... When I wrote, it was just a casual thought. I didn't imagine that the magazine had meant harm with a non-professional instrument. jim . = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:40:01 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and practical wood worker Hello, Brian Lemin wrote: (...) As far as my research goes there is very little evidence that > i can find of what there actually is inside the symphony box of medieval > times. arthur nichols wrote: (...)> > The wheel shaft was a bare screw thread which had a threaded portion > jutting > > out into the path that the wrist takes when turning the handle (...) normally I gave up interferring with those "how to make a HG ...(do it yourself level)" since I concider a HG to be an instrument as complex and demanding as a violin or a piano at least. From time to time I raise my voice to recall the fact that it is at least a musical instrument. Saying: It is true, we do not know what was inside a symphony from direct observation, but we do know how HGs were made for centuries later on AND we do know that the symponies used in church were used by well educated musicians. Even if we have to consider that we do not know about the reallity of music in medieval times, we have reconstructions of recorders, harps, shawms, organs etc. and therefore we know about the sound quality into which a symphony had to fit. Meaning: todays symphonies have to fit in to their reconstructed instrument colleagues, so it does not make any difference at all if this is truly "medieval". (what Arthur describes does not look medieval anyway). Do it yourself instruments are a usefull help for getting a better understanding of an instrument, they are in no way at all a possibility to get a economically priced instrument. Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:00:19 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: [HG] hurdy gurdy price?? Does anyone know what the highest priced Hurdy Gurdy would be? Just wondered?? In other Countries do they offer Hurdy Gurdys in music class?? thankyou, Laura Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:57:10 +0200 From: "[Windows-1252] Site \"Vielle ŕ Roue\"" <hg.vielle _at_ wanadoo.fr> Subject: [HG] Hungarian player Hi, Anybody could give me Robert Mandel's coordinates, the Hungarian hg's player ? Thank you, Xavier AIME = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:39:40 +1000 From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_ tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and number of keys Re Simons reply on the value of reproductions. I am not putting myself in the class of professional instrument makers who have painstakingly researched instruments that are not extant and then reproduced them for our pleasure. But we do owe them a debt of gratitude. I recall the work I did on reproducing the Memling Angels (Amsterdam museum I think) Tromba Marine. I recall being with a group of instrument makers with a magnifying glass and arguing for most of two hours as to whether it was a "square" or a "triangular" instrument. We were almost evenly divided, but i made mine triangular. I suppose the inside of the symphonia is pretty well an educated guess and makers would not be too wrong, except i see reproductions that have from 10 to 23 keys. What would be the best guess as to number of keys in an early instrument? I would start with ten as my best guess in the originals, but i can understand that a much more playable instrument would have 23 keys. Brian, from Cooranbong in Australia = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:46:47 +0100 From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy price?? How much would you like to pay? Just wondered ?? :-] Neil www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:26:27 -0700 From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ uswest.net> Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy price?? Hi. I was contacing you for Jo Abrahams. I understand she found you on the net. Thanks. I have a Minstrel of my own. Sorry to hear you have to sell yours, I love mine. Joan L. D'Andrea = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:50:19 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian player/R Mandel ... his e mail is the same as last year, and his address is new: His page is: http://www.mandel.hu/quartet_e.htm The page he gives lists his correct, new home address and phone: Telephone: 00+3630 2228609 Address: Mandel Productions Ltd. 2089 Telki, Levendula street 33 Hungary Contact: mandel _at_ mail.datanet.hu jim) = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:11:51 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy price?? ok if money was no thought... What is the most anyone has ever spent ?? And is the value based on the reputation of the person that made it?? I guess I just wondered.. How long would it take for a person to learn to make a Hurdy Gurdy that had any value to it at all?? thanks Laura = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:09:23 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy price?? Hello, zhenya wrote: > ok if money was no thought... What is the most anyone has ever spent ?? usually the price of a hurdy gurdy is about the price of a viola da gamba or a saxophone, A standard bassoon is about the price of an expensive hurdygurdy, and I never heard of a hurdy gurdy that costed as much as a new custom made chello from a pro. zhenya wrote: > is the value based on the reputation of the person that made it?? Not much, mainly with antique instruments. Normally the reputation is based on the quality of the instruments done by the maker, so "reputation" seems to be significant, but an acknowledged customer will decide from the qualities of a specific instrument. (There is no help with blokes who buy things by the label). > (...)How long would it take for a person to learn to > make a Hurdy Gurdy that had any value to it at all?? About as long as it takes for learning violin making. Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:00:33 -0700 From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and number of keys Dear Brian, You said: >I recall the work I did on reproducing the Memling Angels (Amsterdam museum >I think) Tromba Marine. I recall being with a group of instrument makers >with a magnifying glass and arguing for most of two hours as to whether it >was a "square" or a "triangular" instrument. We were almost evenly divided, >but i made mine triangular. > I am sure someone else will speak up about this, but here are my thoughts :-) Using art to base a musical instrument reconstruction on can be a bit tricky. It is often a wonderful source, but my experience is that frequenctly it is not accurate. Artists (and occasionally I am one) often take a bit of license when drawing their subject. The bottom line on this is that you can't rely on art for an accurate depiction. There are examples of specific painting and drawings where the artist has faithfully rendered instruments and these have been used to increase our knowledge, but more often the picture or sculpture is representational at best. I'm with Simon on this one. The best test is to compile as much information about the literature played in a time period and about the instruments which we have examples of and then we all just take our best shot on recontructing these things. After all, you can't lift the lid on a painting or sculpture :-) Thanks for being willing to ask the question and we all have to remember we are on this list because we are passionate about the instrument so we can get a bit carried away :-) Cali Hackmann = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:40:11 +1000 From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_ tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [HG] Symphony and practical wood worker I have heard from an amateur Early Music instrument maker, who made the symphony from the Practical Woodworker plan. Sure he is sceptical as to its authenticity, but says it plays well and he would guess that it sounded as well as any that were made in medieval times. If he makes another he will try and make it chromatic with 23 strings as the PW model is OK for actual EM (It has ten strings) but limited for later music. BTW he has also made a full size 16th century (I think) repro HG. He indicates that he has had difficulty with this instrument, but what difficulties I have no idea. I have referred him to this list. I do not know if he will join. Oh yes, he wants also to have any future symphony with 6 strings. I would guess that it would be a bit of a challenge. Thank you for your continuing help. I am enjoying you educated and practical criticism. I don't know who said it but "listen and learn" is a good start to any project. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:38:01 +0200 From: www.altemusik.net <thomas _at_ altemusik.net> Subject: [HG] Herzliche Einladung zu einen besonderen Konzertabend ! Zu einen besonderen Konzertabend wollen wir Sie sehr herzlich einladen: Liedermacher einst und heute Peter Blaikner & Dulamans Vröudenton, Moderation: o.Univ.Prof.Dr. Ulrich Müller Eine Begegnung: Alt trifft Neu - Wissenschaft trifft Kunst Der Kindertheaterautor und Liedermacher Peter Blaikner, der Salzburger Germanist und Mittelalterforscher Univ.Prof.Dr. Ulrich Müller und das Salzburger Ensemble für Alte Musik Dulamans Vröudenton sitzen zusammen, reden, singen und spielen über das, was uns Menschen bewegt: Liebe - Sehnsucht - Trauer - Altern - Entsagung - Spott - Ironie und wieder die Liebe! Mit ihren Texten und Melodien wollten die Liedermacher von heute und gestern dem nachspüren, was uns zum Menschen macht, unsere reiche Gefühlswelt. Nähere Info unter: http://www.altemusik.net/science.htm Weitere Konzerttermine unter: http://www.altemusik.net/aktuelle.htm Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Thomas M. Schallaböck _____________________________ AMSA Alte Musik Salzburg Austria http://www.altemusik.net/index.html eMail: thomas _at_ altemusik.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:09:36 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] event: Paris I found this on a page on the internet: I thought, woa!, I'd give my right arm to be there to see that. (An american phrase there.) I can't believe that I live about 5,000 miles from that performance. I think I might dive into the north atlantic here start to swim across... Then, I realised that I guess this was in the year 1999. (Don't start swimming.) Since the hg list has been so quiet I will send this letter just for fun. Web piece copied here: "Rotation." As part of the annual Festival de Saint-Denis, actor/juggler/dancer François Chat teams up with Valentin Clastrier, who plays an electric hurdy-gurdy, to explore the theme of cycles. Inspired by the lives, discoveries and philosophies of Galileo, Leonardo da Vinci and native Americans. June 9-11, 14, 16, 17, 18, 22, 23, 9pm; June 13, 5 pm; Magic Mirrors, pl Robert de Cotte, St-Denis, METRO: St-Denis Basilique, 60F/90F. Source: http://parisvoice.com/99/june/html/calendar.cfm from, jim winters. Maine, USA = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:23:55 +0200 From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at> Subject: [HG] Clastrier CD's for sale Hello everyone! I want to offer a box of Valentin Clastrier CD's. I bought it at amazon.com , but must confess that they actually do not correspond to my music taste . Unfortunately I had not sufficiently informed before. Therefore my supply: Valentin Clastrier (and others): " vielle a roue au pays cathare " (hurdy gurdy from the land of cathars) 2 CD Box, contain the CD's " Le Bűcher des silences " as well as " hérésie ". AUVIDIS/SILEX Y225070 The price with amazon (inclusive postage): 29.- USD, I do offer it for only 15.- USD(plus postage)! Who's interested in getting Clastriers unusual music should contact me by Mail ( kainer _at_ chello.at ). Greetings to all and a beautiful weekend! Ernst (Vienna/Austria) = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:18:36 +1000 From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_ tpg.com.au> Subject: [HG] Symphony Of all the pictures of Symphonys that I have seen on the net the model made by Bernard Ellis (now deceased) is the one that attracts me the most. If anyone has some idle time to look at the URLs below and might want to make a comment on this choice, I would be pleased to listen to it. http://www.ellisium.cwc.net/ This one is the model that I want to base my design upon http://www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us/antiqua/hurdy.htm another picture of the Ellis Other pictures of Symphonys http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Hurdy includes a kit http://w3.datanet.hu/~taltos/balazs.htm http://www.luthiers60.freeserve.co.uk/instruments.html http://www.hurdygurdy.farmcom.net/front.html good pictures http://www.winshop.com.au/fredjk/symphonie.htm good pictures Brian From Cooranbong Australia http://bobrian.australia.webjump.com/index.htm = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:09:04 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Clastrier CD's for sale I had written yesterday about Valentin. I do have this cd set it is really amazing music. Often people don't enjoy it, though. It sure isn't classical or pop, and it isn't exactly jazz. Experimental could be an acceptable word. (I happen to love experimental instruments.) There is a little tuva singing on one trac--about the coolest, weirdest stuff. :) Another is solo, electric hg that gets very fast and then has the sound breaking up somehow, and is in the key of Ab. The tuba is also more unorthodox or noise-like. The player sings and plays, something that leads to the soundon a brass instrument to break up. I wish more was written about Valentin, the person, or the artist. Final thought, Cathars is an historical church, mid evil, in France... I had these thoughts today. I would love to hear anyone's thoughts if they know the artist from first-hand experiences. Thanks for reading and have a good day all... jim Maine = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:59:26 -0600 From: Doug Abshire <dabshire _at_ mindspring.com> Subject: [HG] Clastrier CD's push the "envelope" Boy Howdy! This (Clastrier CD's)is some of the most amazing HG music I have ever heard! Yes, I like 18th C french dance music and yes I like Hg in scandanavian, english american and other folk nationalities / groups. But, the 2 Cd set really "redefines" how a HG can be a solo as well as an ensemble instrument in a more improvizational recording. if you liked this, what other(s) would would suggest? But what do I know... Ashe-o-limg. DA "Seen any good-looking archetypes lately?" C. Jung = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:33 -0700 From: Salvation Jane <salvation-jane _at_ home.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Clastrier CD's push the "envelope" I, too, am a huge Clastrier fan. I first came to love hurdy-gurdies through him! ~~Jane = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:31:13 +0300 From: Juulia S. & Esa M. <ottilia _at_ saunalahti.fi> Subject: [HG] hg-tutor in Australia? Hello everyone, especially those of you who live and play/build vielles in Australia: I have a 10-year old student who has started to play a small diatonic vielle in february. She and her family are leaving Finland for one year, they will travel to Sydney in June. Is there anyone in Sydney area, who could continue my work as her tutor with vielle? She has reached fairly decent manners with fingering and steady operation of the wheel. We are still working weekly and practising trompette and maintenance with all other essential things. Her repertoire is of course now limited, I have selected pieces that help with the fingering and articulation. For example Jean Sibelius' Finlandia-hymn has been a good choise for her: Same notes repeated, melody moves in thirds, the positon of the hand must be changed once up and then back etc... Of course Finlandia sounds great with vielle too. Mirka is gentle and relaxed, very musical and sings in a choir here too. She does not speak english now, but she is a quick learner. Her instrument has trompette, low drone and a melody string. It is tuned in G/C. It is diatonic, but cleverly has both low and high 7th, ie. f and fis. The sound is synphony-like; small and singing. The maker is Billy Horne who lives and works here in Finland (www.billyhorne.com). Esa Mäkinen Esa Mäkinen & Juulia Salonen puh/ tel 09-8235318 katso/ kolla/check: www.ihtiriekko.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:06:29 -0700 From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: [HG] Netherlands visit Hello, I will be visiting Amersfoort in the Netherlands (with a GC hurdy gurdy) around the last week of May and would welcome a chance to play or meet with any local draailier afficionados, if there are any in that neighbourhood. Met vriendlijke groeten, Juan Inglewood, California. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:12:16 +0200 From: Cor Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl> Subject: Re: [HG] Netherlands visit Hi Juan, If you're already here on may 20 you have a chance to visit the "national doedeldag" In Oegstgeest near Leiden. This is in fact a day for bagpipers but you can always find some "draailierspelers" there. I'll check if there are any more events, (I doubt it) and I'll let you know Cor Westbroek = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:16:52 +0200 From: René Meeuws <meeuws _at_ msmp.demon.nl> Subject: Re: [HG] Netherlands visit Not far from Amersfoort (about 400 km.) is the yearly Festival of Kurt Reichmann in Lissberg, near Frankfurt (Germany): from 24 to 27 May. For hurdy-gurdy, bagpipe and ancientmusic. Informations: natalia.issupow _at_ t-online.de. Even less far from Amersfoort (about 200 km.) is the yearly Festival "Pinkstertreffen" in Gooik near Brussels (Belgium): from 1 to 3 june. All kinds of traditional music. Informations: DeCockB _at_ yucom.be. Houdoe, doei & groetjes, René Meeuws meeuws _at_ msmp.demon.nl = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:42:25 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Clastrier CDs push the "envelope" >if you liked this, what other(s) would would suggest? :) Like the English phrase: If you loved_____, then you'll really love ______. :) Disclaimers first: 1) I am very humble here; no one should get mad at just an opinion written with a light heart. 2) Since I like Valentin's music very much, it is thought by me to be a compliment for someone to be compared to him as a musician. Still, he (Valentin) burns with a bright flame and often people have strong opinions, even against his work. He did two other CDs besides the boxed set; both are listed in Alden's discography. If he is soloistic, and experimental, and perhapes at great moments contemplative or hypnotic, I thought: Rene's work, two CDs; on Tiz (his CD) electric hurdy-gurdy with soft, electric guitar feed-back, for example. Awesome, I feel. For a terrific, closer look: http://www.musicwords.nl/appellation.eng.htm A solo, acoustic CD by Mark Egae in Spain, though I know of no way to contact him right at the moment of this letter. And, Pascal LeFeuvre. His web site page that relates here: http://albacarma.free.fr/ Two CDs feature vielle and a bowed, electric bass, for example. And, may be even the thought of some sort of either experimental and etherial instruments. The following links suggest this kind of corner of the musical world. These are some sites to spark ideas and which speak for themselves. I wish artists on the hurdy-gurdy could combine more often with instruments like these: http://www.windworld.com/emi/products/oshb.html http://www.glassarmonica.com/ http://www.deeplistening.org/links.html http://www.artcars.com/LSI/ellenhome http://www.davidholt.com/music/mouthbowdetail.html Finally, some very old, folk sounds can be very provocative and arresting, for example, eastern music. Thanks as always for reading this and I hope it seemed time spent. from, jw Maine = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:07:41 gmt From: wencesmc <wencesmc _at_ interacesso.pt> Subject: [HG] Been to Pomáz Hallo everybody: so thanks to this list the little Spaniard who was to spend some days in Budapest went to the HG event in Pomáz. And it seems someone is going to "organize" his trip to the Netherlands with similar resources... First advice: if you love life do not even accept Nagy Balázs's offer to take you in his van ,or, at least, tie your seat belt as hard as you can. Mr. Balázs was extremely kind and introduced me to some people there, namely Mr. Gyula Zentai who guided me all the time round. Entry plus meal was affordable: 2400 forints. The event was more a little "meeting" than a "festival". It began with a conference by an anthropologist about collecting traditional music and the types of music HG played in different Hungarian-speaking areas, with plenty of sound examples. People made questions and there was some discussion, but I did not understand them (Mr. Takách Gustáv translated it for me afterwards). The meeting followed with some fingering and wheel control exercises that Simon Wascher taught to us on an open air stage . He also made a public demonstration of liquid rosin. After this, Mr. Béla Szerényi (a tiny and nervous man) showed us some Hungarian traditional melodies. Mr. Pal Havasreti (a quiet and fat man) was also there enjoying and giving some support. There were also members of the Hungarian "Viellistic Orchestra" (sorry, I forgot its real name) with those funny black hats . Next part of the event was what seemed end-of-the-year show of Mr. Szerényi pupils. This was the main reason to come for most people there. Though some things could be classified as "boring", parents were boasting around. And I must admit most of them were children and teenagers that played better than I will ever be able to do. One of them had Clastrier's haircut ! However, they only played strong-beat Hungarian and French dance pieces and a scenified tale. Even, a little 4-year-old girl sang and tried to play a tune. There is not such an amount of children playing HG in Spain and Portugal (five times the population of Hungary)! We entered to a room where Simon Wascher and a violinist performed a small concert, showing how sometimes it is more difficult to play slowly without losing intensity than playing fast scale up and scale down dance patterns. He showed also the intrincacies of his HG built by witty luthier Wechselbaumer. Afterwards, there were some performances by Szerényi with singer Judit Kótar and group, followed by remarkable pieces by other (non hurdy-gurdy) set ensembles that include Mr. Havasréti. One of the set ensembles featured astonishing violinist Vujcsics Béla from the "Téka" group. Mr. Nagy Béla took me again to Budapest (Yes! I survived twice to his Monza style of driving!). He is a member to this list and would kindly guide you if you have some questions. Perhaps he can state his points of view about this meeting. Best regards, Wenceslao Martínez Calonge wencesmc _at_ interacessso.pt http://www.interacesso.pt/web/wencesmc/index.htm = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:43:44 -0700 From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [HG] Netherlands visit Thanks Cor and Rene for your suggestions.The "Pinkstertreffen" would be the only possibility in my schedule, as I have only a few few hours, a day at the most, to steal for hurdy gurdy indulgence. Too bad, so many choices, so little time. Nogmaals bedankt, Juan = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:25:24 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: [HG] Re: [HG] Been to Pomáz ----- Original Message ----- From: "wencesmc" <wencesmc _at_ interacesso.pt> To: <hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: [HG] Been to Pomáz > There were also members of the Hungarian "Viellistic Orchestra" (sorry, > I forgot its real name) with those funny black hats . > You proubly saw the Hungarian Tekero Folk Ensemble which is called Magyar Tekerozenekar. They have 2 excelent CD's. The first is called Kertunk Alatt and the other is called Este A Fono-Ban. Some of the members also perform in the Bokros Ensemble that performed at St. Chartier last year. The Bokros CD is called St. Gellerts Legend. And Bela and his wife Judit have a CD called Tul A Tiszan. I picked up 2 Cassettes from Nagy Balazs last summer at St. Chartier that are also very good. One is from the Bourdon Trio called Bourdonaria and the other is from the Taltos Egyuttes called Tavazsi Szel. So Wenceslao, are you now a Tekero player too? When I posted the anouncement about this event I had no idea that someone would be able to attend it. I am happy that you were able to attend this gathering. I hope that other people will also post information about other workshops, concerts etc. r.t = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:54:59 +0200 From: Reymen reymen <reymen _at_ pandora.be> Subject: [HG] (geen onderwerp) Hello, I just finished a box model HG ,you now the medieval type. Finnished i.e. I still have to made the soundholes in the soundboard and in the boxlid. Is there anyone who can give me advice about the aprox dimensions of those openings? They told me that the magnitude of the openings is a very importand factor for the quality/quantity of the sound.Is there someone who has experience about this issue? Please let me now... Marc Reymen = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:16:33 +0100 From: Work <nosullivan _at_ stangelascollegesligo.ie> Subject: [HG] greetings from a new list member Hi, I'm a hurdy-gurdy player from Ireland. I have a lute-backed and a guitar -shaped hurdy-gurdy by the now Galway-based Paul Doyle. I started playing the French folk reportoire but in recent years have been playing more of the (easier!!) Baroque pieces, often in duet with recorders, clarinet etc. I also play renaissance lute, vihuela, renaissance guitar. a summers evening sitting among the cedars playing the vielle regards to all Nic Nicholas O'Sullivan Librarian St. Angela's College Lough Gill Sligo Ireland = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:19:33 +0100 From: Work <nosullivan _at_ stangelascollegesligo.ie> Subject: [HG] carbon strings Dear all, Has anyone experimented with carbon strings for the chanterelles in Bourbonnais tuning and if so could you give suggestions as to guages for both high and low chanterelle Thanks Nic Nicholas O'Sullivan Librarian St. Angela's College Lough Gill Sligo Ireland = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:36:14 +0100 From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: [HG] (geen onderwerp) In my experience, the size of the soundholes is not so critical. I would go for a design that suits the era of your model. Neil www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:55:22 +0100 From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: [HG] carbon strings I seem to remember Nigel Eaton used steel strings for a while ( I assume you are referring to steel strings as I think carbon strings could make the wheel rather dirty ! ) The sound is an acquired taste and most players revert to the sweetness of gut quite quickly. Neil www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:09:53 -0400 From: ben grossman <nostyle _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [HG] carbon strings Nic might be referring to 'carbon fibre' strings which are available for lutes and such. I've used Pyramid brand on my lutes in the past and it's still my favourite choice for the g on my ud. I confess that I have not the least notion of what goes into a carbon fibre string, or why my lute maker suggested them. I have, however, used a thin nylon for the high d' of that tuning with erratic results. I suspect that, depending on the instrument in question of course, that gut is the preferred solution. Regards, ben = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:04:16 -0400 From: ben grossman <nostyle _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [HG] greetings from a new list member Hello Nicholas! Nice haiku!!! Regards and welcome, ben (Toronto, Canada) = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:32:05 +0100 From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com Subject: RE: [HG] carbon strings I don't know about carbon, but for a while I used a metal (aluminium IIRC) wound gut viola D string for the lower chanterelle. It worked rather well, but I was also having trouble finding good gut strings so that may have biased my view. I've seen people using a steel string for the higher chanterelle, but I can't recall what it sounded like. The gut strings I get these days from NRI are excellent. Viola G strings work very well for a low G chanterelle. Following Nigel Eatons advice I use Corelli Crystals, which are nylon(or similar) cored. The medium weight is best - there's not enough space in the pegbox for the light weight to vibrate properly. Having said that, I guess it's best to err on the lighter side when trying any new strings! Let us know how well you get on with the carbon. Regards Peter Hughes. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:19:55 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] carbon strings Hello, ben grossman wrote: > I have, however, used a thin nylon for the high d' of that tuning with erratic > results. I suspect that, depending on the instrument in question of course, > that gut is the preferred solution. I think it is common sense that plain nylon (guitar) strings do not work well on a hurdy gurdy at all. But just recently I found a brand of string called "Nylgut" by the italian maker aquila see: http://www.aquilacorde.com which are very nice strings for high chanters like g' or d''. (an these Nylgut string is quite cheap too) > Neil Brook wrote: > > I seem to remember Nigel Eaton used steel strings for a while ( I assume you > > are referring to steel strings as I think carbon strings could make the > > wheel rather dirty ! ) The sound is an acquired taste and most players > > revert to the sweetness of gut quite quickly. I know that Nigel Eaton recomended and I think still uses Savarez "Corelli Crystal" viola strings for g and d'. Thiese strings have nylon filament core with , I think, flatwound silver surface. > > > Has anyone experimented with carbon strings No, I have not tried carbon strings but I am curious about them. > > for the chanterelles in > > Bourbonnais tuning and if so could you give suggestions as to guages for > > both high and low chanterelle Here is my personal choisse for strings for the Bourbonnais tuning: high d': 0.64 mm to 0.72 mm Nylgut or Pirastro "Eudoxa" violin e' . One can also use the Pirastro "Gold" e - string but I cold not hear a difference on the hurdy gurdy, and the "Eudoxa" is the cheaper one ( http://www.pirastro.com ) low (d') string: the "Corelli Crystal" d' for viola is good, my personal sonhow lokal choisse is the Thomastik "Spirocore" viola d' which is an extremly flexible flat-steel wound spiral-metal core string. ( http://www.thomastik-infeld.com ) For strings lower than about f' I cannot recomend plain gut strings if not for the sake of authenticity. In general I do not use gut because of the intonation troubles with parallel tunings in the range from the duodecim of the open strings upwards, the decrease of volume on high notes and their generally small range of dynamics. cu Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:30:15 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] carbon strings Hello, peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com wrote: > I don't know about carbon, but for a while I used a metal (aluminium IIRC) > wound gut viola D string for the lower chanterelle. It worked rather well, > but I was also having trouble finding good gut strings so that may have > biased my view. My expiriences are that I never found an aluminium wound string that had a sound I liked. In the opposit, it may be a placebo effect or not I found that silver wound strings do sound best. If there is a serious reason to this maybe it is the question of diameter which influences the vibration behaviour, flexibility when shortened by a fret (tangent) espescially with the high notes (very short vibrating lenght!) Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:43:17 +0100 From: michael.i.ross _at_ bt.com Subject: [HG] Ebay HGs Never bought anything from Ebay, but I was just having a look and found these three today. The first one looks interesting - from 1850 apparently Michael Ross http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1430652694 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1430844735 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1431082861 = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:50:51 +0100 From: Work <nosullivan _at_ stangelascollegesligo.ie> Subject: [HG] caveat emptor Dear All, Let the buyer beware I think people should be very cautious about buying 'original' instruments as they may no longer be in playable condition and may require restoration. I heard a CD a few years ago which had an original HG by Lambert on it ~ it sounded dreadful and hideously out of tune. On the other hand some of Claude Flagel's recordings feature an original Lambert which sounds great after two centuries. regards nicholas = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:21:20 +0100 From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_ virgin.net> Subject: Re: [HG] greetings from a new list member Hi Nic It was seeing Paul Doyle making a gurdy at Northern Renaissance Instruments back in the mists of time that started my obsession . Look me up if you get over the Irish sea - I'm not so far from Holyhead. Neil www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:46:39 -0300 (ART) From: marcos kaiser mori <kaisermori _at_ yahoo.com.br> Subject: [HG] viela portuguesa --- wencesmc <wencesmc _at_ interacesso.pt> escreveu: > > Hallo everybody: > > so thanks to this list the little Spaniard who was > to spend some days in Budapest > went to the HG event in Pomáz. > Even, a little 4-year-old girl sang and tried to > play a tune. There is not > such an amount of children playing HG in Spain and > Portugal (five times the > population of Hungary)! Hi, Venceslas. I thought I heard someone speaking portuguese or spanish, but it seemed too strange for that place. I was there too, trying to play in the middle of that buzz-storm.(40 tekeros playing together). I'm sorry for missing the opportunity of asking you some questions about hg in Portugal. Last year, in Brasil, trying to find some information about hg in the Iberic world, I found a description of a hg, called "viela portuguesa", and the book said that this instrument had completely vanished in Portugal during the baroque. What kind of hg do you play? Is it the viela portuguesa? Do you have specific portuguese or spanish tunes to play in the hg? (besides Cantigas de Santa Maria, of course...) Anyway. Its nice to hear about hg in Spain and Portugal. Espero que possamos trocar mais informacoes a respeito. Esse e meu objeto de estudo no Brasil. Marcos = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:28:12 -0400 From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_ naxs.net> Subject: [HG] HG soundboard thickness Hello HG luthiers, I am getting ready to start construction on a lute backed HG. I have received the Pimpard plans from Michael Muskett and they look great! For those of you who have built one of these HGs I would like to know what thickness you prefer for the sound board and lute back staves. I intend to use alternating maple and black walnut for the staves. What is traditionally used? I am very familiar with Sitka spruce and that is what I had intended to use for the sound board. What do you prefer. Also, being that I am not familiar with the string tension involved with this instrument, I would like to know how to think during construction. I do not want to build the instrument too rigid, yet I want it to be strong enough to stay together. Should I think "classic guitar" or "steel string". This may sound strange but I find if I can envision in my mind's eye the instrument and the strengths and tensions involved, everything will turn out right. Any information you could share with me would be greatly appreciated. I know there are master luthiers on the list and I would be honored to hear what they think. Thank you Joe Dinkins = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:05:43 +0200 From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de> Subject: Re: [HG] HG soundboard thickness Hello Joe, There is always a problem with thicknesses on instruments. You'll have some with thin tops, they sound great and some with thick - they sound great, maple is also often used as spruce, I prefer spruce between 3.5 to 4.5 mm, depending on the woods action and weight, as ist gets better with the years, but everytime I made on with maple and when I play it, I think: sounds great too. Do you know what I mean, Much more interesting is the thicknes an the shape of the bars, I have realised in the last years, give the top freedom to vibrate. Do not expect to make the final gurdy when you make your first one!! It takes a time to know what is going on, two similar instruments can sound different. For the strining: just try, it depends so much on the instrument 5% more or less tension can make a great difference. Let me know your results, good luck Helmut = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:57:28 -0400 From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_ naxs.net> Subject: [HG] thanks Hello Helmut, Thank you very much for your reply to my questions. I was hoping a builder of your caliber would give me some pointers. Your instruments are a work of art! I have found bracing is one of the key elements in guitar building also. I suppose I will not begin to understand the tensions involved with a HG until I build a few. I'm ready for the plunge! I am quite excited about starting on this instrument. Hopefully, when I complete it my neighbors will not think (as George Sand did in 1853) that it is the "work of the Devil". Best wishes Joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:14:56 +0100 From: Nicholas O'Sullivan <nosullivan _at_ stangelascollegesligo.ie> Subject: [HG] Die Bauernhochzeit Dear All, Has anyone heard the Ensemble Eduard Melkus version of L. Mozart's Die Bauernhochzeit it is on Archiv or the Munich Chamber Orchestra version on Orfeo? Any recommendations regards nicholas = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:16:35 +0200 From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] Die Bauernhochzeit Hello Nicholas, I own the version of Leopold Mozart's "Bauernhochzeit" with the Munich Chamber Orchestra on "Orfeo" and I like it, although the part where you can hear the HG is very short. I don't know the other version so unfortunately I don't have the possibility to draw a direct comparison. On this CD there are also 8 short pieces for HG and bagpipe, very fine to listen! Regards from Vienna! Ernst = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:13:02 +0200 (CEST) From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it> Subject: Re: [HG] Die Bauernhochzeit Hi Nicholas > Has anyone heard the Ensemble Eduard Melkus version > of L. Mozart's Die Bauernhochzeit it is on Archiv or > the Munich Chamber Orchestra version on Orfeo? I got the Orfeo record and I think it's the only one with hurdy-gurdy. I got another Mozart's Die Bauernhochzeit where a hammered dulcimer plays the HG part, but I prefer the Orfeo version (not just because of the HG). By the way, I don't think the HG or dulcimer part is original: L.Mozart just wrote something like "it could be nice to play some of the dances with a traditional instrument". I should have some references about that at home. Ciao ===== Marcello Bono my hurdy-gurdy page is http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/1045 = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:08:03 -0700 From: Bob Mackie <rwmackie _at_ revelstoke.net> Subject: [HG] new to list, interested in locating cdn hg source Hi all, I suppose that I am as new as a person can be to a hurdy gurdy enthusiast. I have never played either the violin or any keyboard instrument. My background is guitar, mostly. Does anyone know of a source for hurdy gurdies in the Vancouver, Canada area? I really am not too interested in travelling into the United States or mail ordering from there. any ideas? thanks Bob Mackie Revelstoke, BC = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:48:53 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: [HG] Re: child's song We were with old-order Amish friends today: and they had heard of the hurdy gurdy. We went out and got a cd player and played them a solo recording (Mark Egea.) They want to see one and to even work on mine a little, to try it may be or work on it. The Amish preson there knew a song, but said just two lines: "He's the Hurdy-gurdy man. Help him in any way you can." Does anyone know that as being a song? If so, what are the lyrics? Thank you. jim w. maine = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:45:43 EDT From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: [HG] Re: child's song The song stikes a very distant bell from my childhood. I'll keep thinging about it. Question: I didn't think Amish played musical instruments. I'd be interested in what is really true. Being from Shaker territory, where such worldly things were shunned, I may be confusing groups. Thanks! Donna = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:10:51 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] Re: child's song/Amish Well, I know some first-hand things about the Amish, and anyone is invited to write off-list if they become more interested than only these few thoughts. This thread is the child's song about a hurdy-gurdy man. There are some varitiations among Amish, and also Mennonite, and German Baptists, and Quakers, and Shakers. Of these, Amish are growing in America, and there are about five living Shakers left, I believe. The connection to the hurdy gurdy is this idea of the Amish family that I know being curious about the instrument. That's really all it is so far. I think it's fair to imagine that the Amish can be very curious. And, the hurdy gurdy is such an object of curiousity. For example, I tell many professional musicians about it. It never fails to get some response socially. And rightly so. the Amish yesterday reacting merely as human beings I'd say. The ywanted to know a little more. The deal on musical instruments and the Amish is this: almost never do they own one. The possible exception is the harmonica. This information comes from them. One thing is that they, like I believe most Americans, do not quite "get it" when music is purley instrumental, as in this case of them hearing a solo gurdy recording on cd. The husband listened and said it sounded like,"dodedodedode." Then, the wife asked to listen to the cd, which in itself should have been a truely priceless photographic opportunity, at which point she did listen for awhile, then handed the cd player back, and said, "isn't this like the song I sang when I was a child, "he's the hurdy-gurdy man; you should help him in any way you can." Then the husband, I felt wanting to add something more to the conversation (a social moment which my wife and I call "topper,") said that he'd like to see mine and may be he could "fix it." I think I barked, "why yes" and that I would bring it on the next trip to see them, ( which should be tomorrow.) And yes, for anyone who has not bailed out of this letter so far, they have no electricity and do speak German amongst themselves. That's the news so far. jim = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:15:36 -0400 From: ben grossman <nostyle _at_ sympatico.ca> Subject: [HG] Advanced Notice: Toronto Hurdy Gurdy Day Hello to all! Toronto will be hosting another modest hurdy gurdy day this fall. The date is 11th November, 2001; exact times and events to be announced. However, there is sure to be a dance component, informal workshops on playing and instrument maintenance, and a fiercely intense group of builders in a huddle debating bearings and such. The evening will feature a concert of traditional and early music by Toronto's crankiest, and a dance. There may be other surprises in store, too... I'll post more details as we make them up, but if you have any questions at this point, you can email Andrea at a.haddad.zab _at_ sympatico.ca or me (ben) at nostyle _at_ sympatico.ca. Thanks and hope to see you there! Regards, ben = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:53:46 -0400 From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_ naxs.net> Subject: [HG] Glue Hello List, I was doing a couple of guitar neck removals this morning and I was appalled to find that the Martin D35 neck (which had had a previous neck reset by someone else which didn't hold) was shimmed with masking tape and glued in with epoxy. Now to bring this into the HG field my question is to the luthiers on the list. When is epoxy of any use in instrument building? I find it to only be good for glueing in frets as it makes fret removal easy by heating the fret with a soldering iron. For any other joint I use either white glue, aliphatic resin glue or hide glue. I would like to hear other opinions on glue types and their uses. Just thought it might be a fun topic. Best wishes Joe Dinkins = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:54:45 +0200 (CEST) From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_ yahoo.it> Subject: [HG] Baroque HG player wanted Hi list A baroque ensemble from Padova (north-east Italy, Venice region) asked me to play some of the Chedeville arrengement of Vivaldi's season concerts. I performed Spring and Fall with them some weeks ago and it was a great fun. The same ensemble have to play in a baroque festival in Venice, September 1st, and they like to play all the Chedeville seasons (six concerts, a mix of different part of Vivaldi opus 8). My september schedule is full (a new roof in my house, a new OTW festival and, if I can, some days of rest in the middle...) so they need a baroque hurdy-gurdy player. Any European player interested? I'm sure that several players from Austria, Germany or Swiss could be happy (and not so far) to do that...please write me as soon as possible and I'll give you more information. The concerts rate between "playable" and "almost impossible to play with this damned instrument" but the ensemble consists of 3 soloists (violin, hautbois and recorder) and 3 pieces continuo section (bassoon, violone, harpsichord) so it's easy and fun to arrange the solo "impossible" parts in a way or another, using other instruments. Not to mention that they are nice people and good musicians... ===== Marcello Bono = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:28:11 -0700 From: Bob Mackie <rwmackie _at_ revelstoke.net> Subject: Re: [HG] Glue Hello yourself, joseph! What would you recommend for molded fiberglas/spruce bonding (between top and sides)? Bob Mackie = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:01:15 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: [HG] austrian repertoire workshop (in german) Hello, sorry, that I post this announcement in german language, but I know that there are some list members from my area who could use this info. It is about an repertoire workshop for austrian traditional dance-music that may become reallity in June (16th and maybe 15th and/or 14th, teaching language: german with austrian accent, but everybody is wellcome) Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria Hallo, Bei den Bordunmusiktagen in Gutenbrunn ist die idee eines repertoire-kurses entstanden, der ungefaehr so wie der unterricht im tanzhaus funktioniert, ein stueck wird takt fuer takt nach gehoer gemeinsam eingelernt, melodie, fingersaetze und eventuell schnarre. Noten werden am ende des kurses ausgeteilt, das ganze ist drauf ausgelegt die stuecke nach gehoer zu erlernen. Nachdem eine anregung war, das noch vor dem BordunMusik-Fest zu machen, kommt da im moment folgender termin in frage: Samstag der 16. Juni, eventuell zusaetzlich teile des, oder der ganze 15.Juni bei interesse, oder wenn das dann besser zusammen passt auch der 14. (Ich kann am 17.Juni nicht). Eine nur teilweise teilnahme sollte kein problem sein. Ort koennte, ie nach interesse von leuten aus verschiedenen regionen, zb. Kremsmuenster (GH "König" ehem. Schmidthaler) oder der grossraum Wien sein. Ich denke an, ie nach lern-tempo etwa ein stueck pro stunde, stuecke, von denen ich weiss, dass sie zwar schon von dem einen oder anderen gespielt werden die aber keinesfalls schon "szene allgemeingut" sind (nicht: Alperer mit Boarisch), als quelle werde ich die "Leirer-Taenze" und anderes von mir gesammeltes noten-material heran ziehen. Teilnehmen koennten nicht nur drehleier-spieler sondern auch andere instrumentalisten, Geiger oder Sackpfeifer zum beispiel, die stuecke werden im wesentlichen in G eingelernt (G-bordune und eventuell G-schnarre erwuenscht), tonumfang nicht mehr als ein einhalb oktaven. Natuerlich kann ich nur drehleier-spielern bei fingersaetzen und dergleichen weiter helfen. Wer an dem kurs teilnehmen will, muss natuerlich an sich imstande sein flotte tanzmusik-stuecke auf seinem instrument zu spielen, ein instrumental-unterricht im engeren sinn ist nicht vorgesehen. Ich stelle mir pro teilnehmer und tag ungefaehr 500 ATS teinehmer beitrag vor (8EH/d) bei einer gesamt teilnehmer-zahl von mehr als acht etwas weniger, gruppen-unterricht, maximal 20 teilnehmer. Unterbringung wenn notwendig im Gasthof. Am Samstag abend koennte man natuerlich eine nette session organisieren wo das erlernte dann gleich noch einmal angewandt werden kann. Also, sollte dieses angebot auf euer interesse stossen, meldet euch bitte bei mir, auch wenn zum beispiel der termin nicht passt. mit freundlichen gruessen, Simon Wascher = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:03:17 -0400 From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_ naxs.net> Subject: [HG] reply to Bob Hello Bob, I am not very familiar with this technique. Thank you for your reply. What type of epoxy do you use? Best wishes Joe = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:31:54 -0700 From: Bob Mackie <rwmackie _at_ revelstoke.net> Subject: Re: [HG] reply to Bob I was asking the question for future reference. There may be purists out there on this list who would not think of building hurty gurdies with fiberglas cast bodies, similar to those that the Ovation guitar company first introduced about thirty years ago. cheers Bob Mackie = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:00:57 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: [HG] reply to Bob Hello, Bob Mackie wrote: (...) building hurty gurdies with fiberglas cast bodies, similar to > those that the Ovation guitar (...) I tried such an instrument about eight or nine years ago in St.Chartier, 'think it was made by a french maker. Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:21:54 -0400 From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com> Subject: Re: [HG] american commercial Just for the those in America, has anyone seen & heard it? I know the sound of a Tekero well, having bought 4 CDs from Hungary. I think, though, I puzzle over this... that the start of a Nisson (car) commercial on tv is a tekero solo, drones and some soft melody, in C. The commercial runs often here, on ABC I've saw it tonight, and the visual is a bull fight. (This letter shall not address the ethics of that.) The Nisson car drives around kicking up dirt and the Tekero is playing alone! I think. May be I am loco. But I don't think so. Then some ordinary music chimes in, some talk (voice over,) then some singing not too unlike Hungarian style, by a female voice. Well, I suppose that would be big news. I think so. You'll see a bull, then a Nisson SUV (jeep-type car), and then listen... Tell me what you think. Jim. = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:53:50 +0200 From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de> Subject: AW: [HG] reply to Bob Hello you, isn`t it Jean- Luc Pleton who builds those Hurdy Gurdies? Unfortunately I never tried them. greetings Petra Kühmichel = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:14:39 +0200 From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_ chello.at> Subject: Re: AW: [HG] tried "Ovation" gurdy (was: reply to Bob) Hello, the instrument I tried years ago was not a Bleton ( I remember this because I tried instruments from all the makers in that year, and know it was a stand on the park entrance side, and the Bleton stand was on the other side of the park then). Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:02:36 -0400 From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com> Subject: [HG] Ensemble Eduard Melkus version of L. Mozart's Die Bauernhochzeit There's also a version performed by the Capella Savaria, conducted by Pál Németh. The CD is entitled "Musica Curiosa" (Hungaroton HCD 12874) and also includes Leopold Mozart's "Sinfonia Pastorella" and Georg Druschetzky's "Parthia auf Bauerninstrumenten" - a very wild piece of music, indeed. The hurdy-gurdy in "Bauernhochzeit", played by Pál Havasréti, is very audible, as are the yelps and gunshots! Here's the first movement in Realaudio format: http://janusmuseum.org/audio/wedding.ram Apologies for the lengthy delay in responding - none of my posts seem to be getting through. Allan Janus = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:46:23 -0700 From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu> Subject: [HG] Fw: French & Breton Music & Dance Camp 2001 I am forwarding this post form Alan Keith. 3 great Hurdy Gurdy teachers will be at this camp in June. r.t. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Keith" <mr-reeds _at_ home.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: French & Breton Music & Dance Camp 2001 > Salutations fellow French and Breton dancers, musicians, > > It's been quite a while since I made my last advertisement concerning > this year's upcoming camp, and I'd like to point out that there's > been some important and exciting changes in the personnel line-up, > event scheduling and registration offerings. Go to the camp website > to see them: > > http://www.goodthyme.com/camp > > Now, if you're new to the list, or missed this the first time around, > I'd like to tell you about this *fabulous* event (in it's second > year) that will take place at the beautiful Mendocino Woodland's > Family Camps in Northern California, USA. Here's the updated > information: > > French and Breton Summer Traditional Music And Dance Camp, June > 24-July 1, 2001. > An eight day celebration of French and Breton music, dance, language > and cuisine. Instruction for all levels in French and Breton music > and dance. > > Special guest artists/instructors - direct from France: > *Christophe Tellart ('Percival', 'Chavannée') - Baroque hurdy-gurdy & > Centre France bagpipes > *Thierry Nouat ('Viellistic Orchestra') - Hurdy-gurdy of central France > *Jean-Karim Guillemet ('Chiens et Soufflets') - Diatonic accordéon > technique and repertoire > *Basil Bremaud ('Les Brayauds') - Fiddle technique and tunes of the > Artense and Auvergne > > We are also pleased to have these folks as instructors: > Cliff Stapleton ('Blowzabella') - hurdy-gurdy workshop > Gary Breitbard - dances of central France. > Ray Price - dances & music of Brittany. > Holly Tannen - French language through song. French poetry > and many others... > > Fly, drive, cycle, walk or crawl to this event. It's not to be > missed! Be sure to check out the website for more information and a > registration form: > > http://www.goodthyme.com/camp > > or contact: > > Debra Dawson, Camp Director > P.O. Box 975, Mendocino, CA 95460, U.S.A. > telephone/fax: (707) 964-0509 > email: Goodthym _at_ mcn.org > > > Merci beaucoup! > > a bientot (a le camp) :-) > > Alan Keith > = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:31:26 EDT From: DBur333333 _at_ aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [HG] american commercial So I wasn't dreaming. It was a hurdy-gurdy in that (silly) Nisson ad. I was wondering if anyone else had heard it. I guess hurdy-gurdys have finally made the big time. |
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